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So, I read a story where the Earth's entire colonisation effort was something like thirty women, and they were going to get implanted with preserved embryos on their first day there because they might be the whole hope of survival for the human race.

... which bothers me on several levels.

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Obviously if everyone is women you do what the computer tells you and grow whatever was frozen well enough. Er, whoever.

How long would they keep up the Ladies Only plan?

I mean if the plan is to get as much genetic diversity as possible out of the frozen embryo stores in the ship and there's some kind of time limit on that, you'd want to make sure there's plenty of wombs to go around. Would you get everyone out in a single generation?

If you're aiming for ten thousand colonists, even if you have multiple births routinely and soak the risk, that needs a really big first gen pool. So you'd want to keep up the embryos plan for multiple generations, without losing any of the earlier generations. You could do that with donor sperm and embryos. Or with a lot of social stuff to make sure your great grandchildren are still interested in decanting old world people.


also one of the mathier pieces says "the consequences of the increased medical risks of late childbirth have not yet been considered." It wanted to stretch the generations on a generation ship by having kids around 40, but, wow is that a biggie to leave out of your math. I mean, your chances change substantially over time.

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But only the first 200 would be volunteers who up front believe themselves willing to act that way. The future survival of the human race would depend on their reproductive behaviour. Their choices would be severely constrained.

And to get all the embryos out of storage in the shortest generations they'd need to get their daughters to act the same way. Which seems... unlikely.

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Hard science fiction that sets out a space colony as that baby focused without thinking through how they're actually going to feed the babies is just bad.

I mean, maybe they all get pregnant before they've got a crop going on the grounds that if they starve to death it's all one anyway, but... no.



Also the science problem in the novellette I read was far less interesting to me than the social consequences of the background setup. Read more... )


I think one big factor for viable colony size calculations is something like, if we send people who act pretty much like people of that cultural background do, how many do we need?

Like, we'd need to include murder rates from somewhere.

You do not get perfectly behaved people. No matter how you filter them at the start.



And the cultural changes would be massive even in the first generation kids. I mean how many immigrants feel like they don't really understand their children?

And if the future of the human race depends on women's reproductive choices, it's kind of more likely to work if you start with what those choices *actually* tend to be. First gen you could filter for people that want big families - though not for people that want big families once they start having them and are surrounded by them - but second gen will do as they will.

How do you design a colony socially so it does what you need genetically?



Clue: you do not stick thirty women on a one way trip and keep them pregnant from the first month they get there.




Hard science needs to at least glance at soft science or it requires the ridiculous.
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It's really frustrating when people are being ignorant on a blogging platform I can't sign in to.

Someone is saying that of course the gaming industry hires the best people for the job (who happen to mostly be men). They're trying to be a bit feminist and saying they should seek out more women to try and hire, but of course they'd still have to pass that 'best for the job' line.

I want to send them that study to the blind hiring practices of orchestras, where the proportion of women hired didn't go up until they put carpet down so no one could hear the give away high heels click, and thereafter skyrocketed.
But up until then of course they were hiring the best for the job. Who just happened to be men.



There's also some quite interesting quotes from trans men saying how their work is suddenly taken more seriously after they transitioned, to the point of being told it's clearly much better than their 'sister'.
(humans are hilarious. *headdesk* hilarious.)



Plus there's the feedback loop of needs experience, where an industry that is mostly men will not change until you make it change, because the men have the experience.


Also also they keep saying games are made for / played by mostly men, which is demonstrably untrue, though I haven't googled up the figures again again today. It's marginally mostly women, just like the population is marginally mostly women. So the whole line of argument which says women aren't making them cause they don't play them is flat out false.



And I can't say any of this because different blogging platform.
... which stops me getting in an argument on the internet with a bloke who is used to being the knowledgeable one in their field, on his own territory, where people read him to gain learnings. Probably for the best really.

Just means I'm here on Dreamwidth preaching to the choir.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/01/parents-guide-girls-ambitions-women

Government to tell parents how to make their children "aspirational" and "ambitious for themselves".
Because clearly the solution to structural inequalities is to tell individuals they need to try harder.

I guess this may not be obvious to people who have achieved the sort of power that can make this stuff happen, but: sometimes, wanting is not getting.
Telling girls to want more... have we not been asking? Have we not been trying? I rather thought we were.

But no, not according to this bollocks. Apparently we hold ourselves back.

This is not feminism. This is the same old same old in high heels.

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They're scary in there.
People that refuse to believe Read more... )

Okay, now I've wandered off into thinking about raising an army and fighting vampires because it's less scary than reality.

Story of my life.

:-p
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I've only got the first 3 eps transcribed so I can't count 4 or 5. Also even when I've got an accurate list of speaking characters I won't be able to count 5. I'm not watching that again.

But I'm going to count people in the first 3 days. I go through the transcript, copy all the names of speaking people, label them best as I can see (currently from memory), and then add people up. I can't count the children, they are Many and Varied.
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So it works out at about 41-44% women and 15% people of color for these three episodes.
Which is... actually vaguely embarassing since I vaguely felt there were A Lot Of Women, and we're still not up to half.
But for the show is doing better.

Very roughly. Still need to check.
Need the names and categories for people in day 4 and 5.

This is a first draft and I shouldn't draw conclusions from it.


I haven't figured out Bechdel pass/fail yet. Two named women, yes. Who talk to each other, yes, but is it about a man or in a group including men? Have to check. Think y and y.

That requires brain and reading or watching tho. And I've done a bunch of that for right now.

also I should be asleep by now.
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More Torchwood numbers.
If I stick to just counting speaking parts then I can count how many speaking characters get dead, how many are women, and how many are people of color. I can also count black men, because there's a specific issue there. But must remember 'dead black men' is a subset of 'dead people of color'. Do I need a column for 'dead white men' or is that just the remainder? ...I need a column.
I can only count what I see, and may be inaccurate.
This being Torchwood many of these characters are either dead before they're speaking or die more than once. Read more... )

I did attempt to count corpses as well, but there's some crowd scene issues going on. I could freeze frame and have a go, but massive job much?

Right. Table under the cut. It may not be a very useful table, but I've made it now so I'll post it.

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And now for season 2:
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There's also longevity tests to play with: Who makes it through two minutes, who gets two seasons, who's still going? Maybe I do that later.


Okay, I have *tried* to make tables but I keep on thinking of more ways up to put the data. Is it one black man dead out of one black men ever, or one out of many? I need another column or something. Wait, I'll write it as fractions, so 0/1 means one black guy survived and 1/1 means there was one black man and he died.

There were 11 black men with words to say in the two seasons. Two died.
There were 13 black women with speaking parts, some of them in several episodes. Two died. Plus the woman in the recording was already dead.

So there's a pretty good chance of survival in Torchwood even for black people.
Win.

Under this next cut goes a list of all the dead speaking characters.

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I also made a little list of queer relationships in answer to someone elses post so I'll paste them in here because I have the window open.
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If there is any more counting to do someone else can do it. I have head of fuzzy and forgot both breakfast and lunch. *facepalm*
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http://characterscount.pbwiki.com/Torchwood#view=page
http://characterscount.pbworks.com/Torchwood-S1%2C-S2
Yes, someone made a wiki so if the theoretical crowds of fans all help count then we can put all the numbers in the same place.
Still working on formatting, standardising and accessibility.
It was pointed out my pretty color codes aren't helpful for people that don't see pretty colors.
Also, some of them are too pale for me to read, now I think about it. :eyeroll:
So I made it a bit different.
I will make it different again once I think of a better way to phrase it.

I also added a column for the test the person counting SG1 does where it's the race equivalent of Bechdel, two people of color talking about something other than a white person. I've filled in a few, but where there's more than two characters involved I might have to watch again to check. And I'm not watching again for a while. But it being a wiki other people can fill in the boxes if they happen to know.
... okay, actually, I could figure it out from my notes and have spent the morning doing so.

I keep feeling like the thing where two people of color seldom get to talk is less of a Thing than the one where two women don't get to talk to each other, because there's a half the country of women and less than half of people of color here. But I also am the first to say it doesn't matter if women aren't much in the military or whatever because they're making up stories and they can make stories better. Also while a random sample might be 10% any given person of color will have ancestors of color too, just for starters, so their lives aren't random and should have more people in. So I think it's my feeling I need to change.

details on people of color below the cut
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Have finished counting characters in Torchwood season one and two.
Those links go to my longer notes.

I did more tables later and more notes about race here.
And some about deaths.

I am counting speaking characters: male or female, white or of color, and Bechdel test pass/fail.
My count is likely imperfect. I can only count what I see.

According to the 2001 census Cardiff is 92% white.
I'm going to assume that men and women are 50/50. (I'll assume it because I *looked* for a number but did not find one. Google fail.)

I shall do math and draw conclusions, in pretty color coded tables.

First a recap on season one, now in one table:
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Green means there's at least the percentage found in Cardiff, orange means it's close (I chose 40% for women, roughly meaning one more woman needed to be even), and red means they've got some explaining to do.
On the Bechdel green is pass, an orange fail means two women talked about men, a red fail means no scene had only two women talking. Thankfully there's always at least two named women, they just don't always get to chat alone.

And now for season 2:
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So, general conclusions:
There's a consistently high percentage of people of color, helped along by the way that Tosh on her own is a representative proportion for anything up to 10 speaking characters, so with a maximum cast of 28 and most shows in the mid-teens then one or two other people of color keep the percentages quite high.
Season One averaged 17% people of color.
Season Two averaged 18% people of color.
Consistent, and consistently more than double the 8% wiki reckons for Cardiff and the UK.
I am not complaining, I'm counting. I think it's cool.
I had a thought, and looked up the USA: around 80% white. [ETA: Though different bits of wiki have different answers, and 80% white is the *highest* number; try here ] So Torchwood is actually reflecting [or closer to] the ethnic diversity of the USA. And Torchwood does quite well shown in the USA.
Interesting.

There's a very frequently low percentage of women. Over the entire two seasons only 4 episodes had 50 something percent women. No episode had more than 60% women, and 6 had only 20 something percent, with the lowest at 21%. The inequalities are not symmetrical, you never get a lot of women and very few men to the same extent you get a lot of men and very few women.
Season One averaged 37% women per episode.
Season Two averaged 39% women per episode.
An improvement, technically, and yet not a very large one.
2/5, or 40%, of the main cast are women... so at least they're consistent.
Which is odd.
Did we suddenly get outnumbered and me not notice?

Bechdel Fail and Pass are about 50/50 over the two seasons, but season one was 8/5 in favour and season two was 5/8 to the fail. Episodes with quite a high percentage of women can still Bechdeil fail.

I did not count have now counted the hypothetical 'reverse Bechdel' where two men talk about something other than a woman. In the interests of technical accuracy I probably should. Since I'm not rewatching them all again right away I'll do it from the transcripts. And, also, do it later.
... later apparently meaning after 0330.
I have made blue 'pass' to mean two men talk about something other than a woman. I have made pink where there is no scene with no women in it. Read more... )
So, now I've checked, there's a difference between the two seasons. The first season has four episodes where every scene has at least one woman, and one that barely just barely has men alone; the first and last episodes are both all mixed, and it's about even on test fail between genders. The second season has two all mixed episodes, not the first and last; the fail is 2 m-m to 8 f-f. There's more times women are involved in interactions in the first season.

I've said before I liked the first season better for politics reasons, but this wasn't consciously what I had in mind.

Next, because clearly I need to do more math, I can take the full transcripts and the notes I've just made on categories of all those speaking characters, and I can figure out how many words they had each in each episode.
... this may take a while...
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I am counting speaking characters: male or female, white or of color, and did they get dead (although the Dead count got complicated when I started counting corpses that never spoke first). Also Bechdel pass/fail.
My count is likely imperfect. I can only count what I see.

2-01 Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
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2-02 Sleeper
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2-03 To The Last Man
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2-04 Meat
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2-05 Adam
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2-06 Reset
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2-07 Dead Man Walking
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2-08 Day in the Death
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2-09 Something Borrowed
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2-10 Out Of The Rain
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2-11 Adrift
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2-12 Fragments
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2-13 Exit Wounds
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And we're done for the first two seasons.


Season 2 had way more Bechdel fail than season 1.
I am aware that if I count two women talking in a team scene then there's more pass, but with the team around they're not precisely talking to each other. If there's no scenes where women talk to each other without men around then there's a weird effect where women only exist when observed by men, and I wanted to count that. The times it fails because they're talking about a bloke make it 'observed by or observing'. The times it passes tend to be very, very brief. Which adds up to irritating.

And, also, explains why it's difficult to get femslash subtext going. I mean, if women never get scenes together, we have to do all the work in the fic with no handy tensions, sexual or otherwise. And, looking at the percentages of female characters, we have quite a lot less to work with than the boyslash does.

*sigh*
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Have finished counting characters in Torchwood season one. ETA: Went on and finished both, please read completed tables instead /ETA.
I shall do math and draw conclusions. Would be easier if I could remember how to make a table... aha, auto generator to the rescue...
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So that's the numbers in a table with color coding.
Pretty. But revealing some problems. More with the gender than race though.

After exam, which I will clearly pass due to all my concentrating and studying and stuff, I will go and count season 2. I wonder if it's better.

ETA: Went on and finished both, please read completed tables instead /ETA.
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I am counting characters that get to speak but with no weighting for number of lines or screen time or being series regulars. (Those would also be valuable, but require more math.) Are speaking characters: male or female, white or of color, and did they get dead (although the Dead count got complicated when I started counting corpses that never spoke first). Also Bechdel pass/fail.
My count is likely imperfect. I can only count what I see.

Wiki reckons Cardiff is "Ethnicity 91.57% White, 1.99% Mixed, 3.96% S. Asian, 1.28% Black, 1.20% Chinese or other."
http://www.icar.org.uk/4733/statistics/about-cardiff.html
seems to be Wiki's source and that's the 2001 census figures they're quoting.
So 9/10 white would accurately reflect the ethnic variety of the area.

I'm going to assume men and women are about 50/50 in real life without looking it up.

1-01 Everything Changes
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1-02 Day One
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1-03 Ghost Machine
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1-04 Cyberwoman
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1-05 Small Worlds
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1-06 Countrycide
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1-07 Greeks bearing gifts
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1-08 The Keep Killing Suzie
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1-09 Random Shoes
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1-10 Out of Time
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1-11 Combat
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1-12 Captain Jack Harkness
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1-13 End of Days
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That's the first season done, I'll do another post for second season.

Feel free to join in with later episodes.


Note on Bechdel test: I'm only counting it when the scene is about women, not when they're part of a mixed male and female group. This is because I want to see if women only exist when men are around. Bechdel failing movies do that a lot. Women exist solely in relation to men. When we're not observed by or observing men, we're schrodingered into voiceless invisibility. It's weird and creepy. So: if there's men around when two women talk, if they're part of the same group, it doesn't count. Other tests may vary.

Counting

Mar. 7th, 2009 02:50 pm
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There are some theories about texts that boil down to numbers, like "there's not many x people in y genre" or "all x people get killed in y media" or "very few x talk to other x on TV".

The Bechdel test isn't a pure number test, but it involves counting to two (named women) and then ticking a box (talk to each other) and another box (not about men). So you could make a form where you could fill in Name 1, Name 2, ticky ticky, Bechdel Pass.

So today I feel like sitting down and rewatching some TV, but I also feel like continuing the meta debates that net fandom is so good at. So I decided I would count.

Now I need to decide what to count.

Characters
female
male
white
of color
sexual orientation
not-disabled
disabled

... and none of those categories are actually tick boxes when you get into details, nor are they binaries. Plus I've noted me not noticing little things like a character/person not being white. So my numbers might not be very good.

There was a OFCOM report on disability in the media in 2005. "Estimates of the proportion of people with disabilities in the UK population range between 14 and 19%. In 2004, 12% of sampled programmes (on BBC1, BBC2, ITV, Channel 4 and Five) included representations of people with disabilities. However less than 1 person/character in 100 in the sampled programmes overall had a disability."

There's probably reports for other areas but I don't have them on my laptop and don't see them on the list with the disability report. Poking the internet isn't how I want to spend my afternoon.

I just did a quick look around at some definitions and have realised I'm going to be really bad at really a lot of categories. That's embarrassing.

I shall try anyway.

So does anyone have any suggestions? What am I not seeing? What needs seen?
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I am a science fiction geek, and I am a cultural studies student, and when these things get together this usually involves words like 'discourses' and being very academic about science fiction. But sometimes it involves being very SF about culture. So, I have a theory:

isms suck, like gravity
therefore orbital mechanics is a good way to conceptualise the interaction of texts and isms

For the purpose of this theory an 'ism' is a big accumulation of ideas.
The ones that tend to bring things to grief are racism, sexism, ablism, classism, and heterosexism.
And probably some other things that don't end with ism, because language isn't convenient like that. But.

There are some signifiers that accumulate other ideas around them in complicated structures. Read more... )
Isms might look like these small compact things far away, but they suck so hard they probably pull everything you're saying around even from there. And there's lots of them, so they pull in lots of directions at once. And, because a metaphor is not physics, you can in fact crash into several of them at once.

So, I am studying up on this symbol system I find myself living in, and trying to find the sucky bits, so I can steer around them.

Going 'lalala I shall make a straight line! ...oops' is pretty much how those isms just keep on getting bigger.
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Title: Siren Scent
Characters: Gen, features the whole team, focus on Owen
Summary: Owen is out on Torchwood business when the woman he used the spray on arrests him for rape.

Word Count: 11,000
Rating: As broadcast episodes, with the swearing left in
Warning: Contains discussion of rape. Only seen in as much detail as we saw in 1-01. But rape is the central issue for discussion throughout. Was it or wasn't it?
Spoilers: Contains flashback to 1-01, and canon references up through about 2-08.

Disclaimer: Torchwood belongs to the BBC. This fanfic is made as meta/criticism. No money, no harm.

Author's Notes:
I have objections to the scene with Owen and the spray in 1-01 Everything Changes.
So I expressed them in the form of a script, with aliens trying to eat people.
It's currently formatted like my transcripts, which I hope are readable.

Thanks to beta [livejournal.com profile] msp_hacker and helpful crit from [livejournal.com profile] pinkdormouse

Part 1

TORCHWOOD
Siren Scent
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Complete Torchwood: Siren Scent, in proper script format, as a pdf.
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Title: Siren Scent
Characters: Gen, features the whole team, focus on Owen
Summary: Owen is out on Torchwood business when the woman he used the spray on arrests him for rape.

Word Count: 11,000
Rating: As broadcast episodes, with the swearing left in
Warning: Contains discussion of rape. Only seen in as much detail as we saw in 1-01. But rape is the central issue for discussion throughout. Was it or wasn't it?
Spoilers: Contains flashback to 1-01, and canon references up through about 2-08.

Disclaimer: Torchwood belongs to the BBC. This fanfic is made as meta/criticism. No money, no harm.

Author's Notes:
I have objections to the scene with Owen and the spray in 1-01 Everything Changes.
So I expressed them in the form of a script, with aliens trying to eat people.
It's currently formatted like my transcripts, which I hope are readable.

Thanks to beta [livejournal.com profile] msp_hacker and helpful crit from [livejournal.com profile] pinkdormouse.

Complete Torchwood: Siren Scent, in proper script format, as a pdf.

TORCHWOOD
Siren Scent
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Part 2
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I spent the afternoon reading 'Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema' by Laura Mulvey.
Yes, it's a relatively short essay and shouldn't have taken that long. I kept getting distracted by visions of Owen in a collar. Er, yes, this is relevant to the rest of this Big Thinkings.

I summarise:
Article is about visual pleasure - scopophilia and ego ideal (?) - and narrative cinema - regular Hollywood films. Scopophilia is the pleasure of looking at the pretty, the other bit, 'scopophilia in its narcissitic aspect' or identification with a presumed more perfect image, is about feeling like you are the pretty.
In conventional cinema the one being looked at is a woman, the one doing the looking is a man. Even if the spectator is not themselves male, the gaze they're being asked to identify with is.
This apparently has to do with phallocentrism. And Freud. Which is about where it loses me, but, it says something like women are always an implied threat of castration. They're good to look at, but men wouldn't want to be them, because they quite like having a cock. So women are a threat.
In order to neutralise that threat the film goes with either fetishization - making a woman totally and completely an object - or voyeurism/sadism - imposing the man's will upon her.

Or, to put it in actual quotes:
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... okay, so I had big thinking about stuff from class. To recap outside the cut: pleasure in looking, pleasure in identification, some Torchwood references, some talking about comics, and it's not about cock, it's about power.

... now I'm going to go eat chocolate and read some books with no theory. and quite possibly a lot of sex.



PS: was considering sending link for this to teach or classmates to see if my thinking is wonky or not. now think could probably take out the specifics of my fantasy life a bit. which makes me think vaguely interesting things about how academia differs from fandom, cause around here we mostly talking about the fantasy bits all the time...


ETA: I missed a corner. The other way to deal with the 'threat' of identifying with the powerless is to make all the characters powerful. However this constructs a different threat in the minds of those who perceive power as a zero sum game. In other words, if you raise up the powerless, some folks are going to decide they're just getting uppity. What's the use of being powerful if you can't be the boss of all them other people? So erasing the power differentials and making everyone powerful is a worky source of pleasure... for the powerless or those comfortable in a form of power that doesn't require the powerlessness of others. Otherwise it's a threat. Which is probably why it's such a bugger to budge the prevailing attitudes / dominant ideology encoded in forms and narratives of existing texts.

Plus if the actual point of scopophilia is the powerlessness of the object you lose that for all the minutes they're powerful. But there's more diversity in the possible identifications to make up for it. Sort of.

... surely there's a sort of pleasure that comes from looking at a powerful subject and not wanting to be them? I think it's called 'fancying the hell out of the hero'.

Feminisms

Nov. 4th, 2007 09:00 pm
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Finished the chapter! Party!
... okay, there's still the half page on masculinities and the page and a half on queer theory, but I read them already once when I got the book. I, er, have a tendency to start on pages as mention 'queer'. *shrugs*

So, have read many much about feminisms. Methinks my head got full hours ago and most of it will fall out again, but so it goes.
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Have now finished watching Supernatural season 2.

... year of the scary black man? *facepalm*

also, second to last episode - hey look, she said girlfriend. wait, dead girlfriend. Wait, dead lady with girlfriend... well that was an all time record. What, two minutes?

*facepalm* again.

It's things like that as keep knocking me out of the 'verse just far enough I'm not enjoying it. I mean, that ending should have been awesome. The bits you could see coming were all the better for the anticipation, and the other bits were way cool. But... Read more... )

Frankly I'm tempted to write fanfic - to rewrite the whole season from the women's point of view and give them strength and skill and knowledge and independence and still have the Winchesters be the stars. Because I'm sure that's do-able. But it's so far from done I'm... probably not going to bother watching the next season. I'm not in these stories. So I'm done with them.



I went back to read the back of the DVDs in case I missed something. And no, I think that's about it for the second half of the season. But one more thing occured to me that I've been trying not to notice - the episode where Dean gets his wish: Read more... )
It looks like women gotta be dead for men to be strong.
It's a problem that's right there up front from the start and just won't go away.


Why couldn't they have done a show about girl-Dean looking after boy-Sam? That would have been a whole different show. Kind of like if Faith had a little brother. Actually, a lot like.

Would make the one in the prison a bit trickier. But that could be interesting. Would have stuff to say about how society enforces divisions along gender lines.

Now I want to write that fic too.

But not because I love this show. More because I'm so damn frustrated with it.

I think I may have to go watch Buffy again from the beginning to sort of get the taste out of my head. That has female characters. Every single week. With strengths of their own and everything.

... back to college this week. Not really a 7 season marathon week then.

But hey, brain full of feminism, kind of works out.

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