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i am watching a cartoon from Lionsgate / Marvel.
It keeps making really odd creative choices.

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That was not a competent story that made even vague sense.
It was a mish mash of pieces wrapped in crappy art and worse cgi animation.
Thematically it had nothing going on, no emotional arcs were resolved, and the whole fight sequence with the naked woman was deeply distasteful.

Most of all, it was not Tony's story. It wasn't his decisions that drove the action. It wasn't the action that drove his decisions. He had the suits and the company and the pacifism before the story started, and nothing changed, it just wobbled a bit in the middle. At most he witnessed this story, and why make a movie about that?

This film was really very rubbish.

I'm not going to bother keeping it.
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This cartoon is actively bad.

I have watched a bunch of episodes now and there were maaaaaybe two with Black Widow in, and Black Widow is the only female character.

Worse than that, the Avengers aren't just out of character, they're borderline bad guys. They're petulant and childish and wreck stuff for fun. They're mean, cruel, beat each other up for fun.

Tony built rocket boots for Cap and they bounced Cap off the ceiling repeatedly and Tony did nothing to fix it, just filmed it and posted it online. Hawkeye brings his arrows everywhere and repeatedly draws on friends and team-mates. Hulk mostly interacts with Avengers by knocking them around and trashing the tower, and I don't just mean Thor, I mean he just threw Hawkeye out a window at the top of the tower.

These are not good guys. They aren't heroes. And the clunky aesop of each tale just doesn't work in that context.

I don't get how these can be so bad when they've got comics to draw on and when EMH was, compared to this, so good. I mean with EMH I was complaining it needed more women, but there were always two women around as heroes, let alone in the background, which is hugely better than very rarely even one anywhere.

Avengers Assemble is only vaguely interesting if it's some kind of lost boy alternate universe where they have a huge smurfette problem in actual gender ratios and toxic masculinity is all they've got left.

Everything else is just bad.
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Having finally found which TV channel it is on and left the recorder box to catch a bunch of episodes, today I watched some Young Justice : Invasion.

Then I went straight to Amazon to buy it on DVD.


... unfortunately I can't figure out if any DVDs are available in the UK that are UK region, or which DVDs go together to make a set. Maybe if I concentrate more later.

But: So many women! Okay, teenagers everywhere, not always my favourite, but actual plural many women!

And people of a variety of colors and ethnic backgrounds. Not just green.

And a twisty complicated plot that I can recognise the elements of from comics but not quite know for sure what is going on.

Did I mention <3 ? Because <3

Now I want to watch it all :-)

... if I can figure out how...
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I just watched 4 episodes of Avengers Assemble, a random four since I finally worked out which channel its on and how to set the box for it. It's visually a lot more MCU than EMH was, though Hawkeye is in purple instead of kind of red. And the team is the MCU team, plus Falcon, in the red and white costume. So that's Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.

As guest characters we've seen Nick Fury, Impossible Man, the Wrecking Crew, Red Skull, Modok, some dude with a trident whose name begins with A, a bazillion Chitauri, a bunch of vampires, The Thing, Spider-man, and a shiny gold looking dude in a cloak who builds stuff.

In four episodes, the only woman with a speaking part is Black Widow.

And she's not even in all the episodes.

Pretty sure that's all the review it needs.

Dear TV: want to know how to double your audience almost instantly? Start pretending you want women and girls to watch too!

EMH wasn't perfect about women but at least it had them.

So now I'm super bored of Avengers Assemble cartoon.

Also I'm not happy with how they've got Falcon instead of how EMH had Black Panther. Because Falcon is the rookie who nobody knows yet who keeps mentioning he doesn't know stuff, instead of the other guy being a really smart dude with his own kingdom and his own agenda who ran rings around the rest of the team. It's like, lets have a reboot, but this time less uppity. It makes it harder to like Falcon for himself.

I did a bit like the first one I watched where the male Avengers all got Hulked and Hulk was left supervising them. Hulk is much more talky in this than the movies (the movies set that bar very low). The episode was about how he has great self control, because practice, but he learned how annoying he still is, because the other Avengers all having tantrums about pizza bagels. And then there was another one about how he secretly has hobbies and friends everywhere but the other Avengers don't know it. Poor woobie Hulk? Why does the TV just get rid of Banner entirely?? Seems unfair. Added together the whole portrayal seems weighted too far towards sympathy for the shouty rage monster who smashes. I mean, as a value set, not cool.

Mostly though I'm bored because there's no women anywhere so it's that weird smurfy universe where women would have to be a queen bee type. It's creepy.
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Needs More Women. Epically needs more women. Read more... )

Now I've watched all 8: the boxes aren't honest about who is in them or how many women there are around. Jan and Carol cannot represent all women between them. And there were fewer women as they went along, which is Not Cool.
They introduced a bunch of black men, like T'Challa is core team if they ever remember to do anything with him, War Machine and Falcon and Power Man all turn up at different points, and of course there's Fury, but that's about it for ethnic diversity outside of random SHIELD agents. And again, it gets less diverse in random people as it goes along.

The stories rely far too much on Avengers vs Avengers fights.

But the way the whole 8 volumes / two seasons winds a couple of big over arching plots together and follows through on the threads is great fun. I wasn't convinced by the moment Stark was all 'this is what that time traveller warned us about', that seemed less satisfying than the earlier story, but it was consistent and interesting. And it was a lot like comics, the way stuff never really goes away and loops together and makes a very busy world.

But also just like comics it ducks all questions of oversight, who anyone answers to, responsibility, and just has people who criticise them turn out to be secretly evil. Which is pretty boring.

It skims the interesting stuff and you have to read pretty hard to find feelings in any of these people cause it's mostly fight fight fight scenes.

And this isn't a 'verse I'm likely to hang out in in my head, unlike the MCU and some corners of fanfic that pick and mix.

But I'm glad I bought them and will probably watch them again at some point.
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This was sort of disappointing. When Carol was added to the team I thought she'd be as well as the other female characters we'd met, not instead of. But no, on this disc, we have Jan and Carol, with Amora on the bad guys side. There's a few images of Pepper but no actual Pepper. Jane isn't even mentioned. Mockingbird is missing, I think since the end of the first season. Black Widow same. Maria Hill and Quake are likewise nowhere. This disc is such a sausage fest. Snore.

Also it has Black Widow on the box but not in the episodes, and it says Featuring Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk, but there is no Hulk. That's just plain cheating.

This still concentrates on the big fights, usually hero on hero, and is light on the character interactions I'd rather see more of. Genre, I guess.

Powerless: Read more... )

Assault on 42: Read more... )

Ultron Unlimited: Read more... )

Yellowjacket: Read more... )

I liked when Hawkeye was watching TV and someone told him off for it and he's being all 'you do research your way, I do it mine' and had in fact found journalists talking about the current topic.

Emperor Stark: Tony takes over the world in less than a month. Rock on. Read more... )

Code Red: Read more... )

This disc was not awesome. Needs more ladies and more actually fighting bad guys and not each other.
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Continues to be fun, but I am mostly frown face today and haven't as much to say about it.

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The art has been less creepy about butts. Like, sometimes men are seen from rear views, and sometimes women are drawn almost the same as them. But male butts never have a line up the middle and female butts almost always do. Which is weird and creepy. But not as egregiously as when I was complaining about it with Black Widow.

Yes I know this is a detail I'm going to sound creepy about pointing out.

I like the twisty stories and I like some of the characters, Tony had more moments to actually seem like a person this season, Steve got to be cool, Hawkeye is a person but kind of not the one I've been reading fanfic about. There still need to be more women around, because new women only seem to turn up for an episode at a time. Is parity such a difficult concept?

I have more episodes to watch so I'll probably keep doing that.
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Ultron! Loki! Grand plans coming together!
and a cliffhanger ending!

I am appreciating the way the stories weave together with this version. Stuff gets seeded twenty episodes ago and eventually pays off. It's fun.

And y'all want to watch without reading these spoilers, to see how they do it, if you're tempted to watch at all.

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That's some impressively twisty stuff for a punch the supervillain show.


I am now looking forward to how they undo this knot.

And trepidatious about what will happen to the team in the meantime.

As I should be.


... wait, 11pm already? guess that was proper interesting then.
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Alternating tasks with Avengers episodes has worked pretty good.
After accidental two hour bath I have actually got through the whole to-do list.
Which included cleaning out the blue boxes, putting some fandom t-shirts in them for long term storage, stacking the boxes as tidy as they go, putting away the dry laundry, hanging up the damp laundry, and running the washing machine. Also changing the sheets. And wearing nice pyjamas with the shiny boxes and hearts pattern.

All of that, only 4 sandwiches and 3 episodes of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

I'm surprised by EMH. Specifically, I like Ant Man. Read more... )

I was comparing this EMH in my head to Batman the Brave and the Bold. They're completely different shows, structurally especially, but I was getting frustrated because BBB is all about team ups and he repeatedly demonstrates more ability to get along with people he's only just met than these Avengers do to understand their team mates who they live with. In one episode Batman and Green Arrow, who have a 'friendly' rivalry that gets closest to actually fighting each other, manage to convey crucial information and formulate a plan and agree who plays what side of some sneaky stuff and what undercover personas they're going with, all in the space of a couple of sentences that look like a fight. With someone they don't even like. They're more competent in moments than Clint manages to be with his partner in many, many episodes. And then they get on with fighting bad guys.

But EMH is going with some long term character arcs and really working its regular cast and their intra team conflicts, which is an approach with a lot of interesting in it.

I just get really frustrated on those occasions (many) when it makes them look substantially less than competent.

But I want to see where this show is going, it's doing fun stuff.
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I like it. Twisty plots are twisty.

Also, Ultron!

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Basically, nice story, but these are not the characters I've been hanging out with in my head, even when sharing many of their characteristics. Which is interesting.

And I find myself liking quite different people than expected.
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I'm on Volume 3 of the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes DVDs
where they introduce Mockingbird (yaay)

her costume has wings which glide!
wings, but no leggings.

I'm getting really *very* creeped out with how they animate Black Widow, and now Mockingbird. They get special treatment no other character gets. And by special treatment I mean butts.

After I noticed how they were framing Natasha (from behind, close up, butt crack wiggling on a black catsuit) I spent the rest of the episode checking for other butts (yes I know how that sounds shush serious crit is serious) and no, nope, no other butts, except for Mockingbird.

Guys do not have behinds. Let alone behinds in skintights.
Black Widow and Mockingbird mostly have behinds.

And it's really jarring compared to the quality of some of the other animation. Sometimes facial features don't even make sense, they're kind of awful in off moments, but someone went through lovingly animating every line of the butt wiggles.

Creeping. Me. Out.

Yes I am fully aware of how comics do this kind of thing. I just... really? Everywhere? This now? Blergh.

I admit it makes Widow a lot more mysterious, since there's only so much you can learn about someone from that angle, but really.

I am liking the plots.

And they don't do this to every female character. Carol and Jan wear actual clothes so far.

It's just once I notice something I keep noticing, and, creepy.

In other news it's cute how Tony still thinks he's the leader while everyone else ignores him more and more.

Also I was vaguely pondering how Hawkeye in this 'verse starts out as a SHIELD agent and Black Widow's partner. Like, compared to the MCU. EMH Clint mentions the circus, which is more backstory than we have on MCU Clint. EMH is 2010 and Thor with brief Clint cameo as SHIELD agent is 2011. While in 616 he was an Avenger first? Variations.

Here it's mostly so he can make pouty face about Widow betraying him and remain deeply perplexed about it and also be rebellious against two completely seperate organisations, SHIELD and the Avengers.

He's stubborn and not quite bright, but good at thinking sideways for his job, like tactics stuff. Also funny and quippy and brave.

... the way they draw him makes me think his nose is on upside down, it sticks out weird like here, it's unfortunate, and then there's the pointy mask on top of that.

But the stories are all making a complex universe full of conflicting motivations and they're quite fun.
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There's a certain amount of stupid I can believe, and the sort of stupid that gets in arm's reach of Hulk and challenges him to a fight is... genre appropriate, but Read more... )

I do not like having headaches. That part of my evening is annoying. And I already took painkiller, so I appear to be stuck with it.

I am really glad the movies didn't go with Hawkeye's purple design quite the way it is in this cartoon. It's the pointy head bits I can't quite be having with. The rest looks like perfectly reasonable vaguely asian skirt whatsits or a purple robin hood. The mask is... even with my expectations reset to comic book I keep noticing it and instead of story I'm all Clint what is on your head.

I don't know why, it's hardly the weirdest thing in marvel.

Now Hawkeye has had stuff to do he seems super good in a fight but weirdly untrusting and confrontational considering what they keep saying about partners.

Not my favourite character set.

but that was the first 13 episodes and end of volume 2.
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two more episodes of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes
10 Everything is Wonderful
11 Panther's Quest

Theme: For a genius, Tony sure is an idiot.

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Tony's an arrogant ass who needs to consult before he acts, use his words, and maybe notice that he's not the most brilliant at everything, ie leading the Avengers. It's weird him giving orders to Cap, even if it worked out well this once. I like it better in the movies where he notices how Cap is kind of good at this fighty stuff relatively swiftly. The Avengers being brought together with Tony's money, Tony's property to house them, and Tony reckoning it's all his idea and he's the boss, only sets him up to be an idiot repeatedly.

In other news I have to actually like this version of Ant-Man, which frankly given what comics 'verse has him having done is making me feel a bit ill. But he's the guy in the cartoon who is all 'you don't want to be a villain, fighting isn't solving anything, how about we actually talk'. You know, like I would. So I'll just have to divide up the universes. The guy who is all about maybe we can rehab them is much better than the guy who just wants to build a better box to store them and their toys in.

Cap needs to catch up and have a personality though. I mean, being a walking :-( is entirely reasonable, I wouldn't tell a real person to grow a personality, have a sad, totally fair, it's just as a character he could be more present.

Jan is overconfident in fun ways that very nearly almost work. She's fighty, and then she's in over her head, and then teamwork. She's also enthusiastic about superheroics, as opposed to business or science like some of the others, so she's there for the same reasons we are and that's kind of helpful.

I'm going to watch lots more episodes of this. Which is good cause I have 8 volumes of it.
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Have watched two more episodes of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes
basic plots were
'everyone fights Hulk until he changes his mind and saves everyone'
'everyone fights Cap until he changes his mind and saves everyone'

Is it always like this with Avengers?
Is Whedon doing this just following tradition?

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This cartoon series is being a lot like comic books because it clearly has a vast and complex backstory you're not expected to know, a lot of which whizzes by while you have a few fight sequences, and you only get small episodes in a larger interconnected story with each episode/issue. It could be cool. I'm not sure I'm in the mood for it, but it should be cool, doing longer stories in smaller chunks.

Avengers Mansion in this is introduced as used to be a museum for the Maria Stark foundation. So that thing I theorised about a certain location in Avengers Age of Ultron, where the art got moved out and the war moved in, that is pretty much canon for Earth's Mightiest Heroes Avengers Mansion. Only it's Tony doing it there, which is different from what I was thinking because he doesn't identify so much by the museum parts, the sub level tech stuff is more key to his identity even if he wasn't flying around wearing it. Also that thing where he sold all his art at once in IM2, and he was buying overpriced pieces he knew little about for investment and never seemed to look at much of it. Art character doing it would be different.

Avengers Mansion has 12 bedrooms. Read more... )

Jan is still Most Interesting, not just because she's The Girl, but because she seems interested and excited and like she actually wants to be there and doing the things they're doing. It's hard to get particularly excited about grumpy faces who fight each other. Tony is next most interesting because he's like, here, have a club house, have a training room, that was the easy setting, wanna play more?

Also, already he and Steve get along better than they did in the MCU and he has tons to say about how everyone looks up to Captain America and his dad told him all about him.

Now I could watch more episodes or go outside the house to do the errand I told myself I would do at 2pm.

... probably episodes, lets face it.
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Have started watching Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes
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So, okay, I did just write a long reaction post while watching 155 minutes of Avengers cartoons until 9pm, I suspect that means it's amusing enough to buy the rest of them tomorrow.

But they weren't very good yet?

Also, needs more women. Always needs more women.

It's much more serial than other cartoons I've seen. It hasn't even put itself together yet, it's all Beginnings, threads getting made, still all loose. So, okay.

I shall take the tip about making sure I watch in intended order, it's clearly doing a thing.

The voices are weird and I'm not convinced. But the worst that can happen is the charity shop gets a donation, so, onwards.


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