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beccaelizabeth) wrote2018-06-23 11:17 am
beccaelizabeth) wrote2018-06-23 11:17 am
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Captain America: Civil War
God that's depressing.
I mean, what argument is this movie trying to make?
I'll take an 'it's complicated' but I'm not sure it would.
The movie ends with Steve et al free and doing as they please. Because the law doesn't apply to them. Because, what? They're the good guys? According to them? Great, let's ignore civilisation, democracy, all those modern ways of resolving arguments, we've got the round table right here and might makes right.
Yes I am aware which genre I'm watching. I read comics when the superheroes worked for the United Nations, we have a very different starting point for how this shit ought to work.
I mean this set out to be Chaotic Good vs Lawful Good with a bunch of nudges from Lawful and Chaotic Evil, but it's just... there's no viable options by the end. The details would matter, and we don't get any details. Due process of law and law making would matter, and we don't get that.
When Steve asks if Bucky gets a lawyer and the only answer is amusement, that's where the whole system breaks down. That's where accountability isn't really happening anyway. No trials, nothing. Then there aren't two sides, there's just bullshit and bigger guns.
And is the movie trying to say the world really is that way?
We have to believe in Justice. Or how can we make it?
Says I, in my pyjamas, in the flat I'm not planning to leave for two weeks.
Like I said, this shit is depressing.
The ones with the biggest guns should not get to make the rules.
Not even if they've got all that bright uniform to go with it.
The movie did a plausible job of bringing everyone in and giving them angles on this bullshit.
I end up totally mad at Tony, not the writers of Tony, on the whole. He's a human here.
Even bringing in Spider-man, he wanted non lethal weapons on that field, and Peter's stated logic of if they can they have to is pretty much what made Ultron, so Tony relates too hard. Child soldiers are still wrong, but, the movie just made everyone plausible.
It's just it set out to create that fight and leave the problem there.
So.
No.
Heroes are better than this.
It's like Wonder Woman is meant to come to man's world to show us a better way. A reaching out way. To be a hero is to be better than this.
This story went irretrievably wrong in the tag scene of Ant Man when they decide Tony wouldn't listen to them.
And I do not know why they decide it. They could try, at no cost to themselves. They could share the information they have about the threat they perceive, and yet, they do not.
So everyone goes scrambling for options, their options are... variably trained, and it all goes boom.
But why write it that way?
Because when Tony says 'So was I' the only way this story works is if he was plain wrong.
Steve didn't trust him, didn't treat him like a friend.
Why write it that way?
Because they wanted that fight.
And I do not.
Be better.
I mean, what argument is this movie trying to make?
I'll take an 'it's complicated' but I'm not sure it would.
The movie ends with Steve et al free and doing as they please. Because the law doesn't apply to them. Because, what? They're the good guys? According to them? Great, let's ignore civilisation, democracy, all those modern ways of resolving arguments, we've got the round table right here and might makes right.
Yes I am aware which genre I'm watching. I read comics when the superheroes worked for the United Nations, we have a very different starting point for how this shit ought to work.
I mean this set out to be Chaotic Good vs Lawful Good with a bunch of nudges from Lawful and Chaotic Evil, but it's just... there's no viable options by the end. The details would matter, and we don't get any details. Due process of law and law making would matter, and we don't get that.
When Steve asks if Bucky gets a lawyer and the only answer is amusement, that's where the whole system breaks down. That's where accountability isn't really happening anyway. No trials, nothing. Then there aren't two sides, there's just bullshit and bigger guns.
And is the movie trying to say the world really is that way?
We have to believe in Justice. Or how can we make it?
Says I, in my pyjamas, in the flat I'm not planning to leave for two weeks.
Like I said, this shit is depressing.
The ones with the biggest guns should not get to make the rules.
Not even if they've got all that bright uniform to go with it.
The movie did a plausible job of bringing everyone in and giving them angles on this bullshit.
I end up totally mad at Tony, not the writers of Tony, on the whole. He's a human here.
Even bringing in Spider-man, he wanted non lethal weapons on that field, and Peter's stated logic of if they can they have to is pretty much what made Ultron, so Tony relates too hard. Child soldiers are still wrong, but, the movie just made everyone plausible.
It's just it set out to create that fight and leave the problem there.
So.
No.
Heroes are better than this.
It's like Wonder Woman is meant to come to man's world to show us a better way. A reaching out way. To be a hero is to be better than this.
This story went irretrievably wrong in the tag scene of Ant Man when they decide Tony wouldn't listen to them.
And I do not know why they decide it. They could try, at no cost to themselves. They could share the information they have about the threat they perceive, and yet, they do not.
So everyone goes scrambling for options, their options are... variably trained, and it all goes boom.
But why write it that way?
Because when Tony says 'So was I' the only way this story works is if he was plain wrong.
Steve didn't trust him, didn't treat him like a friend.
Why write it that way?
Because they wanted that fight.
And I do not.
Be better.
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Because they wanted that fight They literally just wanted an excuse to create unnecessary drama and violence- this fake war, that no one who is actually invested in these characters wants. Blargh.
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