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beccaelizabeth) wrote2023-04-04 06:51 pm
beccaelizabeth) wrote2023-04-04 06:51 pm
Immortal is fine, but I'm getting bounced out by the monogamy
Reading a bunch of Immortal!Ianto fic and just
wondering what these writers see in Jack Harkness?
Because to me, Jack loving many people easily and often is a lot of the point of him, plus his struggles to keep doing that when grief hits him over and over. He loves and it hurts because some day it will all be over, but he still loves.
It seems to me that a bunch of the fics that make Ianto immortal seem to think he... fixes him? Makes him eternally monogamous by the power of his beautiful Welsh vowels? Something.
The time travel ones where Ianto meets past and future Jacks seem to be spending time teaching Ianto how to not be hurt by non monogamy, and how to understand he is still special enough to remember in a thousand years, even when Jack is highly unlikely to have been single for much of that.
But the immortality ones are like... look at this soul mate! The one! OTP 5eva!
... it's been bugging me and now it has clicked why I might have to avoid the immortality ones
even though some of them are in fact about threesomes.
Like, don't get me wrong, Ianto living long and long is very much what I want out of fic, especially lately.
But there's different attitudes to what that would optimally mean for him, or Jack, or him and Jack, and I don't like the ones where Jack loves fewer and fewer.
I just read a fixit that felt the need to get rid of Alonso Frame in Jack's life, and while it is likely they haven't listened to Big Finish, because fewer people have, I can guarantee that I started that audio thinking 'but Ianto' and ended it thinking 'Just! Let! Them! Kiss!'
(which was some good writing)
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/One_Enchanted_Evening_(audio_story)
But like, Jack is a 51st century guy, he can dance with so many people.
Some writers actually do not like that.
It's puzzling, and I doubt it would occur to them to tag it, so I'm just going to run into it at random.
Canon Ianto does get a bit upset about Jack's tendency to flirt with sushi, if Big Finish counts as canon even more so.
But part of giving Ianto more time would, to me, be giving him time to get more comfortable, shake off some of the attitudes that had him hiding himself, maybe understand Jack better, be more confident where he stood with him.
(or get to hear it said, outside House of the Dead)
... people who have not heard the audios, even the free ones on the iplayer, have a Different idea about these characters, especially the end...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012hkvt/episodes/player
There are so many audios now, I fear missing some just from not having seen the cds.
Some of them are in the books app on my iphone though, along with all the torchwood paper books.
Canon has like a central mass and then all this Also stuff. Tricky.
But I like Captain Jack Harkness in all his flirty glory, so I like when people change to keep up with him, not changing him.
wondering what these writers see in Jack Harkness?
Because to me, Jack loving many people easily and often is a lot of the point of him, plus his struggles to keep doing that when grief hits him over and over. He loves and it hurts because some day it will all be over, but he still loves.
It seems to me that a bunch of the fics that make Ianto immortal seem to think he... fixes him? Makes him eternally monogamous by the power of his beautiful Welsh vowels? Something.
The time travel ones where Ianto meets past and future Jacks seem to be spending time teaching Ianto how to not be hurt by non monogamy, and how to understand he is still special enough to remember in a thousand years, even when Jack is highly unlikely to have been single for much of that.
But the immortality ones are like... look at this soul mate! The one! OTP 5eva!
... it's been bugging me and now it has clicked why I might have to avoid the immortality ones
even though some of them are in fact about threesomes.
Like, don't get me wrong, Ianto living long and long is very much what I want out of fic, especially lately.
But there's different attitudes to what that would optimally mean for him, or Jack, or him and Jack, and I don't like the ones where Jack loves fewer and fewer.
I just read a fixit that felt the need to get rid of Alonso Frame in Jack's life, and while it is likely they haven't listened to Big Finish, because fewer people have, I can guarantee that I started that audio thinking 'but Ianto' and ended it thinking 'Just! Let! Them! Kiss!'
(which was some good writing)
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/One_Enchanted_Evening_(audio_story)
But like, Jack is a 51st century guy, he can dance with so many people.
Some writers actually do not like that.
It's puzzling, and I doubt it would occur to them to tag it, so I'm just going to run into it at random.
Canon Ianto does get a bit upset about Jack's tendency to flirt with sushi, if Big Finish counts as canon even more so.
But part of giving Ianto more time would, to me, be giving him time to get more comfortable, shake off some of the attitudes that had him hiding himself, maybe understand Jack better, be more confident where he stood with him.
(or get to hear it said, outside House of the Dead)
... people who have not heard the audios, even the free ones on the iplayer, have a Different idea about these characters, especially the end...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012hkvt/episodes/player
There are so many audios now, I fear missing some just from not having seen the cds.
Some of them are in the books app on my iphone though, along with all the torchwood paper books.
Canon has like a central mass and then all this Also stuff. Tricky.
But I like Captain Jack Harkness in all his flirty glory, so I like when people change to keep up with him, not changing him.