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This morning's dream was simples yet disconcerting: I dreamt I tried to sing A Kind of Magic, the album, but had forgotten the words. Which seems likely after the general passage of time, but, time passing goes quicker than you think, so. Dosconcerting.

Also in the dream Highlander got acquired by one of the major comic companies and integrated with their comics code approved lines, so there was a bloke in a trenchcoat who might look like Connor if you squint, and he had a katana, but as far as you could tell it only hit scenery, statues, and other swords. Nobody actually got hurt, because he's a Hero in a Comic and Heroes Don't Decapitate.

... the problem is that, even awake, I find this all too plausible. Just ignore the series and all attempts at moral quandry, and just throw a dude with a catchphrase at a number of fights. That's ... a bit too comics.

People would probably complain that he's Wolverine with fewer blades or Deadpool without the ... everything else.

Also is trenchcoat still the magic user uniform of choice? They'd complain his kind of magic wasn't whooshy boom enough. Just a bit of lightning and some water breathing.

... I was reading on tumblr about the DCification of John Constantine and apparently my dream brain reeeeeally thinks they have a point. *sigh*

Torchwood

Dec. 3rd, 2024 08:00 pm
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I saw on tumblr someone talking about Owen Harper and how he is a good doctor (yes) and his bedside manner is surprisingly effective (yes) and tuned to specific patients (yep)
and that is a sign he is, deep down, a Good Person.
... no?
I mean, the entire framework of thought that comes up with that conclusion is, from here, big nope.

There are no good people or bad people, only people.
People are free willed and can choose to do anything any time ever.
You cannot see signs of which ones are safe, because they never can be, while free willed.

And Owen Harper specifically? Owen? Who was introduced with the spray of no consent? Who straight up murdered his boss?

Yes his boss is the only guy in his world who can come back and forgive him for that, but, like,
in order to get to 'secretly a Good Person'
how the fuck much do you have to ignore?

Owen is, like all of Torchwood, *messy*.
They have all done some Things in their time.
And yet they dedicate their lives to saving other people.

That's what makes Torchwood compelling, it doesn't collapse down to Good People and Bad People, just... people. Who we care about, empathise with, can see where they're coming from and what pain is driving them... and really need to notice that the shit they do is still in fact shit.

I mean the tumblr post included bits from the audios, and in the audios Owen accidentally kills a little old lady and then uses Torchwood to cover it up. Which he can do. Because the only thing stopping any Torchwood agent from using their Torchwood powers like disappearing corpses and rewriting the evidence and straight up mindwiping people is other Torchwood agents. And they were probably all asleep.

I'm not going to start discourse on tumblr because the format is ill suited to it and I'm not going to go on someone's post about their favourite character to harsh their squee but like...

I believe if you watch Torchwood and believe that the protagonists are the Good Guys?
You are watching an entirely different show than the one I saw.

Torchwood do a lot of bad things on both an official and personal basis,
and that's what makes the story fascinating.

All of that power and they're so bloody human.

Uniforms

Nov. 2nd, 2024 09:57 am
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I've been pondering army uniforms lately, as part of thinking about Wrath of the Righteous.
The thing with symbols is they have no meaning until they make meaning. We've all got a store of them from our particular path through our particular culture, but we won't quite match. Which is a line of thought that leads to concluding true communication is impossible, but.
Costumes are a whole set of communications. Connotations. Symbols.
And in things set in a vaguely real world, or an urban fantasy using the here now, or some heightened version thereof, you have a very rich visual language to draw on, because it includes everything from daily fashion for the last lifetime of years to haute couture by way of comic books and stage plays. The visual language is already heavily populated with meaning.
But sidestep into another world, and you defamiliarise, everything.
In theory tou have to rebuild everything from scratch.
In practice of course everyone imports their existing decoder modules with a side order of You Are Wrong.

I've read so many Pathfinder books that I have a lot of instant associations with symbols they gave meaning in the rule books, like holy and unholy symbols. I don't have most of the colors memorised though, and I have looked them up repeatedly so it's not for want of trying. I might remember some of the national flags, maybe, since I've read the world guide. But national fashions are mostly going to go right past me, except for Osirion, because they don't wear much and it's ancient egypt style.

So playing Wrath of the Righteous I recognised Iomedae's sword, but none of the other things on shields, first time through.
And the crusader army all have their colors, and I guess when you run around camp you can find out which are which sort of, but then what do they mean? Not a lot, then or later, as it turns out.

So you've got empty signifiers that take a bunch of learning, add nothing, and turn out not to be necessary anyway.
Not ideal.

So I was thinking how in fantasy stories we default to clothing styles that were worn at very roughly the same century as the armour styles they go with - very very roughly, you kind of get a five hundred year range sometimes - but, while some of that would depend on cloth technology, a lot of it was optional fashion. So it's there to give the player/viewer/reader a general impression of 'welcome to the crusades, demon edition'.

... how much about the crusades the demon edition is becomes a whole other story...

... I mean using the word to try and reclaim an emptied iut land from actual literal demons has some *layers* if you think about it...

But I was wondering, whats the cost consequence on that kind of dressing? What do we gain vs what do we lose? What else could we be doing instead?

Like modern dress productions of Shakespeare, you get a different set of layers brought to the fore, just by putting your players in a different jacket.

So I have been looking up current ish British army jackets, and thinking how practical it might be to put soldiers in them, what with the armour situation etc.
... velcro makes a lot of difference to the putting on or armour, and I'm not sure how any clothes stand up to melee combat vs swords, so do they actually want jackets? I mean, they're wearing a bunch of cloth for allegiance purposes, it's like everyone has a flag on, but wearing a jacket and lots of pockets seems like it would meet a sword and go Poorly.
But there's a lot of classes that are not planning on meeting a sword? Alchemists and spellcasters can use all the pockets they can get.

Wrath of the Righteous on the xbox differentiates between character classes by outfit, only you have to pick the right one first or you're stuck wearing the other one for the whole game. Not the most varied of character builders. But you get a situation where gender isn't the important marker, character class is. Which makes sense in terms of why would you need to treat people differently anyway.

But does mean you get a lot of clues on who to aim at first if you want to trash the healers.

So putting everyone in identical uniform jackets would change the practicalities as well as the vibe.

But I don't know that people look at all them knights in armour and jump straight to 'mostly young people who just got drafted into a grinding ongoing war'. Or even 'mostly veterans of the grinding ongoing war, but not particularly distinctive heroes, so already the Knight Commander kicks more arse than them, after a week, because xp'.

Translating any part of that visually seems like a tough problem.


But modern uniforms aren't going to be a good fit for practicalities, I reckon.


Thing is though the outfits a PC can turn up in range from 'skins wrapped with thongs' through 'kind of highlander with more fur' up to your basic bag of robe and then on to trousers, assorted, or one picture that looks Ustalavic ie setting for Dracula ish. It's a kitchen sink setting with kitchen sink fashion and time is space because every place gets knocked flat so much (in universe) and because they don't want you to have to change planets to change genres (writers side). And yet all those fashions are rules as written equally useful and appropriate, which leaves you wondering how.

So I'm back to, how much modern army uniform can you put on your standard shining armour footman to convey or translate their place in this world?



... not that I'll get the opportunity to, but...
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I haven't been having much to say just lately
because wandering the internet looking for how even the agriculture, ecosystem, and supply chains would have to work
to make Adventurer Clothes
with all the pockets
just keeps raising questions
that I'm not sure how to make a story answer.

The thing is though, agriculture was bloody difficult, and getting enough to live on was the daily work of the vast majority of humanity for the vast majority of history
and I never get a feeling that rpg adventure worlds really grok that.
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If we take a science fiction approach then there's story upon story after each individual change to the way the world works. Stack them up like these fantasy worlds do and things get incredibly far out.

But it's all a backdrop to seeing how hard the fighter can hit things, which is a tad bit weird, really.


So: I want to figure out where the interesting stories are by treating the sort of damage spells do as the plainly least interesting bit of the setting.

But after a while if the interesting bits are teleportation and bioengineering and the possibility the neighbours are diversified post humans, you're doing science fiction with very retro fashions on.



Shall ponder more.
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I relistened Lives of Captain Jack, Mighty and Despair
and it is still a powerful piece that really puts Jack through it
but it frustrates me a bit as well for what it didn't articulate.

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So it is a strong story, but today I am thinking about all the stories it wasn't, and it seems to me it wasn't those stories because it didnt want to talk about age, disability, or need.

Just grief, isolation, and choosing not to use their own power.


But with a really miserable ending.



I want there to be stories about Jack that aren't about horribly extended suffering and miserable endings.
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Because I think a lot about time travel fixits and just read a few aus where someone goes back and undoes all the bad stuff
I was thinking about the down side, Tapestry style.
Pull all the threads that make them able to deal with things later and eventually you get hit with a Big Bad that just now came to town, but your people arent ready this time.
Like every story where the good guys win happens because the Bads arrive in the right order, right? Like imagine season one dealing with season seven problems and very seldom do you see a survivable path.

But today I thought of a Good Fix.
All the new friends they made along the way.
If you're going around saving lives, they add up, and it matters.
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I get why stories dont usually do this, they have a core cast and they stick with keeping things status quo to grind maximum story from the original setup, a lot. And some of them recruit a lot of sidekicks, albeit usually because they're cycling through many people in the same size regular cast. It's an artefact of TV production and the thing where it's hard to keep hold of all the threads.

But it's wrong.

It makes a model of what it means to be a hero that actively cuts off community and organising and changing systems, and I think that actually does damage when it all adds up long term.

But mostly it's being a more boring story.

If the good guys put the work in they make a difference, so, show us that difference.




... say I, who always takes Leadership and aims for the capstone where you're The Boss.

... guess I want pretty consistent things.

Wording

Oct. 20th, 2023 07:16 pm
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I went to look up some words but ended up back on my own blog finding the last time I complained about imprecise translation of historical relationships of power, so I am no further ahead but know I've been annoued about the same thing for Long.

I started out with Pathfinder rules, where if you take a Leadership feat you get Followers and also a Cohort. In the skinnier book Cohorts and Companions it elaborates on this so you can also have Recruits, which are like slightly lower level Cohorts but you can have several of them, only one of them following you around on any given day. Companions usually means *animal* companions, which ends up being unflattering to Doctor Who. And there are a lot of very specific versions of cohorts, some of which you get through an archetype, like Instructor and Apprentice for wizards, which can only make the same type of wizard as you are but has rules for letting them go voluntarily and finding a new apprentice. Or there's Torchbearer, Light Bearer, Weapon Bearer, Page, Squire, and Groom, who are all lower level cohorts of a particular limited type. (Many of those are from Ultimate Intrigue, or look them up on Nethys.)

What interests me are the in universe social and legal relationships implied by this stuff. Like there are Adventure Party Charters mentioned in Cohorts and Companions p22, and in some jurisdictions the Party so contractually bound is a legal entity with a specific tax relationship to the state, one which works out as expensive up front but advantageous if you survive the long term. "In some regions [...] characters can pay a fee of 100gp per level for each member to register their charter with the local government, exempting them from salvage taxes on treasure and mitigating fines for collateral damage to property and buildings." [C&Cp22] Of course not every game is going to have taxes etc in the first place, which may be why the associated feat is mentioned but not actually included, anywhere, ever. But it's an interesting try at giving the Party a distinct legal status. They're a business with a difference from mercenary companies, since no one has to hire them and 'salvage' is presumed to be relevant Often. But they're different from everything else too.

Honestly requiring the armed bastards to get a licence seems like an idea with significant utility.

And a new party just setting out isnt going to have the fees handy.

And part of registering is making sure no one else is using the name, like Companies House and so forth. But who among the sixteen year olds with a single spell each or possibly One sword is going to have encyclopedic knowledge of such parties? They'd end up looking for names just like usernames on a new service.

Also it clears up the deciding who is and isnt the party. The full members paid their 100gp per level and are entitled to treatment as per the charter re treasure sharing and being brought back from the dead. "Are shares equal or is level a factor".

Also when I went looking for what a cohort calls their leader (no opinions discovered) I found many (many) discussions on where a cohorts equipment comes from, who pays for it, should the party wealth by level be adjusted for them (no), etc. The book says a new cohort is equipped as per an NPC of their level, but after that it sayeth not. So people kept arguing. Like, the people saying a cohort is over powered and they dont allow them at their table and the people saying its really difficult to keep them properly equipped from their share should maybe pay attention to each other's point? But in Cohorts and Companions it actually mentions this as something the *charter* needs to decide, "Do cohorts or hirelings get some portion of the wealth, or is their master responsible for rewarding them?"

Which also is one vote for Master and Cohort. Which seems awkward to me.

But it puts that at the level of 'the party decides and agrees in advance' rather than a rule.

Honestly page 22 seems Incredibly Useful for deciding in advance the kinds of things adventure parties get Really Very Annoyed about, and having people agree in advance seems likely to lower the temperature on a Lot of arguments.

Where people could learn this kind of stuff before they run full tilt into it in universe though... seems like a Pathfinder thing? Like teh Pathfinders aren't an adventurer guild exactly, but they also are. Guild experience would accrue in many advice books, and Pathfinders publish the Chronisles full of hard earned lessons. And if you've got to charter, you could probably get some suggested charters there.

... p22 also advises thinking of a party alignment and keeping everyone within one step of that. Which probably helps answer such questions as do you actually have to help each other in combat. Team Evil's charter could be evil.

... Team Chaos having a charter at all seems counter intuitive, but that runs into the definitions thing again. Like I'm sure Robin Hood and his merry men were very clear on the division of wealth and their obligations to each other, they're just paradigmatically Chaotic Good because they weren't taking top down authority about any of it.

ANYway

I set out looking for Words
because there are a lot of specific Words for specific sorts of cohort
but fewer for the people who have cohorts.

Like, Recruits dont imply the existence of a Recruiter, let alone that they'd address their Recruiter by that word. "Be they students, retainers, new recruits to your order, or neophyte members of your faith, you have access to a small set of dedicated servants." Your recruits have so many words right there, but what do they call you? Teacher? Sir? Leader? Master?

Master is awkward for... several reasons. Because Master of the house, Master of the subject, and Master who owns slaves, are all the same words. Master Journeyman Apprentice encodes a different relationship of power to Master and Slave, as far as I know.

Also when I went looking for word sets I got annoyed, because thrall in the dictionary says it means slave, servant or bondsman, but those are different things. And nobody says what the person who can give the thrall orders is called. English seems to have fewer words for boss than for people you're the boss of. Forms of address, there should be more of them.

Also when I went looking for stacks of words in original language, older versions of English maybe, I still got frustrated at the fuzzy definition, and still didnt find anything about how you'd address the next layer up. Is it just not there or do I not know the search terms?

Wait, google is rubbish looking for things I already know are there, that's going to make it trickier.

Why I ended up back on my own journal was looking for a citation for a thing I remember reading that said English translations frequently introduce gender where no gender is stated or implied. Not just saying policeman where the original word is more like police officer, also saying Lord or Lady, or rather specifically saying Lord as a translation for a particular level of power and according to this one specific book ignoring that the gender just isnt there.

But even my own notes get frustrated because yes the one book said it, but only that one, so then what?


Like, also, I'm frustrated with the subtitles on martial arts movies, because I feel like I'm not understanding the relationships between people, since how they treat each other isnt necessarily something I'd guess from available titles in translations. But is that because English just never did that exact relationship, or because I dont know enough martial arts movies, or because the translator was doing their best, or what?



If we're inventing fantasy worlds we're inventing fantasy relationships of power, and we get to decide what those mean.

But we either go full conlang (I lack the skills)
or we're importing thousands of years of historical assumption with every word.


... actually having the characters work out a Charter *on page* would let you specify what Party and Cohort means *to them*, and then you can stress them accordingly.


But you'll still have to decide what the cohort calls their... leader master instructor knight boss.
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I saw a couple posts on tumblr but dont want to get into a discussion there because reblogs dont lend themselves to context or nuance.

One person commented on Children of Earth calling Ianto queer, another separate one said fandom shouldnt call Ianto queer because he was visibly unconfortable with that and concluded they should call him bisexual.

Well bisexual gets mentioned in the books and he seemed to me rather against that as well.
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So the problem isn't that people are ignoring his preferred words, the problem is that Ianto existed in a context of homophobia and biphobia, and was as far as I can tell uncomfortable with all the words, probably because of their intended uses and his own internalised attitudes.

Part of the tragedy is he never got to be comfortable in his relationship, he never enjoyed a pride parade, he wasn't out, probably because he was pretty sure how people would react, and he did indeed get the homophobic reactions.

Of course the other part was he never seemed sure of just Jack either.

... I went and read the end of day 4 again, I reckon I'll go think about something else instead...
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I have been thinking about time travel
and whatever reasons characters have to 'protect' the timeline

and I think that when writers agree completely with one side of an argument
the story is worse.

Like they forget they have to explain or even make an argument, it's so water is wet to them,
so you end up with arbitrary rules based in a culturally religiously and every other ly specific mindset
that just doesnt see they've given all the good lines to the other guy.

If they have to figure something out they'll remember to explain it to the audience.

Lit class said story is thesis antithesis synthesis
like you have two positions arguing and coming to a new truth
so the truth that is obvious to the author needs to be the synthesis, not either of the starting points.

But in a multi season show they'll arrive there at the first point they believe they'll get cancelled.

Then any new characters will be making new arguments but the desired truth doesnt change.

No synthesis.



That's tricky.



But it's like saying you get the characters to be who you want them to be at the first cancel point so no character development after first season. You just have to have an assortment of ways to have your protagonists wander off model for the course of a season. Big ticket ones like fear and the seven deadlies are a good start. Then they gradually conquer those tendencies in themselves whilst also circling back to the writer's idea of true. They have to present an argument to themselves, to get back on course.

Man vs man, man vs self, thesis antithesis synthesis edition.




This annoyance brought to you by
the timeline is sacred
and other defences of the status quo that never articulate why it is the only thing worth defending.

The bad guys so often have a point because the bad guys are the ones trying to change things
since the good guys circle back to their most iconic state so often.

... mind you that includes Gotham being Gotham, so iconic and desireable arent the same
but lets face it, in any other city Bruce Wayne would have fixed it by now, inventing enough problems a billionaire can't fix them without punching is a whole argument about the nature of people in itself...


So writers need to include
why are we defending this exact this
and
why aren't our tools working yet
and
how are these tools going to work
and
why is this guy opposing it

and then
move everyone along a bit
to a better everything.

... usually they remember to level up the tool kit, I guess...
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It's not that I think I could write it better, because lo, the entire lack of writing lately is not better, it's just I can see what's annoying me and it feels like a lot of it wasnt even the intended point.

Like okay this is apparently a Jack story where everyone else is baggage.
But that's not its biggest problem, we can roll with the hero being the hero.

When constructing a story, I have heard that Lois McMaster Bujold sits down and asks,
What is the worst thing I can do to him now?

And sometimes the answer is something like
be treated as a beginner even after his background leaves him well educated
and sometimes it is
get everything he wants at least twenty years before he's ready for it.

Sometimes it's
his strengths that help him achieve all his goals are the power of ignoring his disability and applying sheer epic bullshit
and sometimes it's
ignoring his disability and applying sheer epic bullshit has made him a danger to himself and others
and now he is going to have to admit it
in order to avoid getting everything he ever wanted.

Those are some excellent situations, right, because they arise from the character strengths and weaknesses, dangle their desires in front of them, and then ask what's the worst thing to put in between where he is and were he wants to be?
(The worst thing is always Himself.)

So okay, how do you get to The Exodus Code by asking
What is the worst thing that can happen to Torchwood now?
or
What is the worst thing that can happen to Jack Harkness?

And there's pieces that lead straight from where their characters were last at into the horror, so, okay:

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I've got a GURPS Horror book that helps you design rpg campaigns by breaking down what kind of classic horror tropes can be used to build what kind of underlying fears. I'm mostly remembering fear of madness and fear of contamination right now. Book is on the shelf in the other room, and those two will do for talking about Exodus Code.

But one thing to consider is, is the story in the fear of the monster, or the fear of becoming the monster?

Because if the story is about madness you are doing very different things if the focus is fear of becoming mad, or if the focus is fear of mad people.
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I dont get how the ending dealt with the fears or paid off the... anything.

It just kind of happened.



I'm going to let it go again, I just, keep niggling at this book like I want to unravel it and keep the yarn.

Some of the yarn.

ish.



I feel mean criticising it though. Look, a complete book happened, that's winning.

just, it could have... been better. actually.
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Today I dreamed about saving Lindsey McDonald again.
Just pulling him out of hell again and back into life.
Sure he'd need supervision of some sort to double check this wasn't a cunning plan by team evil, but dream me was entirely willing to follow him around for life.

... the character died in 2004 and I still get these dreams.

I dont get how stories treat 'bad guys'. Like there's such a thing. Like we're supposed to celebrate the killing.

I mean I just read a summary of Lindsey in season 5 and as far as I can see it's one giant Citation Required. I can spin what I saw to be verrrrrry different to what they just wrote.

But I dont just mean 'maybe this bad guy secretly didnt do bad things', though I... do that a lot.

I mean, they give characters motives, set them up in dilemmas, have them work through them to the tiny chance of survival and freedom... and then act like there was some more perfect version they 'should' have figured out, so it's just time to kill them now.

Why is that the story? Like, I get that tv does the cathartic violence so we don't have to, but it seems like most stories get the cat up the tree, decide it was a bad cat all along, then set the tree on fire. Instead of actually saving the cat. Ever. At all.

And the characters that do manage to 'change sides' and impress the 'good' guys?

Dead. Just a lot. They get the redemptive sacrifice story arc, which is not something I can agree with at all.


And then there's Spike, who was kind of an accident, but a very excellent one. He rewrote himself.

Everyone should get that chance. Enlightenment.

You can never say someone will never be a good guy, because there are no good guys and bad guys, just people, doing their best.



So here I am, nineteen years on, dreaming about second chances for someone the story had real clear opinions on.
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I have been thinking
about Torchwood

the first time I watched and read, I noticed that there were actual queer people in actual queer relationships, and they saved the world a lot.

This was not a thing that happened. So it was shiny. And I liked it.

(and I nearly stopped watching at Greeks Bearing Gifts, because I noticed this other bit too...)

This time I watch and read and listen, and I mostly notice that there is a lot of misery and a lot of death, and it gets connected to the sexuality in a way that... might be processing trauma through horror, but, also makes me want to read a different genre.

One where we save the world a lot
and get to be happy.



So, back to fanfic I go.



... that said, it is starting to creep me out how many Children of Earth fanfics focus on saving *Ianto*. Like, there was very much another problem in that story. We could fix that one more often? Even in the Ianto tag.

I have read some very good and subtle minimum intervention fixes, I have read some excellent and emotional Day Five with Ianto still in it, but I... would fix more. Than some of these.




I mean, we're authors, we can just be like, hmmm, needs a child? remember when the TARDIS youthed that Slitheen? And the TARDIS loves Jack, see every time he dies. Deus Ex big blue Machina...

granted it's not very satisfying that way but if I found CoE satisfying I wouldnt be reading through the fixit tag.
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Reading a bunch of Immortal!Ianto fic and just
wondering what these writers see in Jack Harkness?

Because to me, Jack loving many people easily and often is a lot of the point of him, plus his struggles to keep doing that when grief hits him over and over. He loves and it hurts because some day it will all be over, but he still loves.

It seems to me that a bunch of the fics that make Ianto immortal seem to think he... fixes him? Makes him eternally monogamous by the power of his beautiful Welsh vowels? Something.

The time travel ones where Ianto meets past and future Jacks seem to be spending time teaching Ianto how to not be hurt by non monogamy, and how to understand he is still special enough to remember in a thousand years, even when Jack is highly unlikely to have been single for much of that.

But the immortality ones are like... look at this soul mate! The one! OTP 5eva!

... it's been bugging me and now it has clicked why I might have to avoid the immortality ones
even though some of them are in fact about threesomes.

Like, don't get me wrong, Ianto living long and long is very much what I want out of fic, especially lately.

But there's different attitudes to what that would optimally mean for him, or Jack, or him and Jack, and I don't like the ones where Jack loves fewer and fewer.

I just read a fixit that felt the need to get rid of Alonso Frame in Jack's life, and while it is likely they haven't listened to Big Finish, because fewer people have, I can guarantee that I started that audio thinking 'but Ianto' and ended it thinking 'Just! Let! Them! Kiss!'
(which was some good writing)
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/One_Enchanted_Evening_(audio_story)

But like, Jack is a 51st century guy, he can dance with so many people.

Some writers actually do not like that.

It's puzzling, and I doubt it would occur to them to tag it, so I'm just going to run into it at random.




Canon Ianto does get a bit upset about Jack's tendency to flirt with sushi, if Big Finish counts as canon even more so.

But part of giving Ianto more time would, to me, be giving him time to get more comfortable, shake off some of the attitudes that had him hiding himself, maybe understand Jack better, be more confident where he stood with him.

(or get to hear it said, outside House of the Dead)




... people who have not heard the audios, even the free ones on the iplayer, have a Different idea about these characters, especially the end...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b012hkvt/episodes/player


There are so many audios now, I fear missing some just from not having seen the cds.

Some of them are in the books app on my iphone though, along with all the torchwood paper books.



Canon has like a central mass and then all this Also stuff. Tricky.



But I like Captain Jack Harkness in all his flirty glory, so I like when people change to keep up with him, not changing him.
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I have been stuck reading Jack/Ianto, mosly post CoE fixit fic, lately.
(stuck as in I did not decide to focus on this particular variety but I cannot steer my attention for toffee)

It's good because there's a Lot of over ten thousand words not an out of universe crossover finished fic to read
but
a lot of it had the same ideas.

And they're great ideas! Yes, obviously Ianto should travel to the 51st century and meet both younger and older Jack, acting like a sort of reverse three ghosts, that's an excellent idea. And starting at the most bookmarked fics, it is also an idea I have read repeatedly already. I can also see the appeal of making Ianto immortal, by any means necessary, and making him a Time Lord, possibly with a stopwatch for a fob watch, works grand too.

But I am at that point in reading fic where I'm all
yes, like this!
... but not this.

I can't figure out exactly what differences I want either.

I mean the fic where Jack raises Ianto's baby in the far future is an excellent one, but, do I want to read another one?

I know I *don't* like the ones where the two of them leave Earth together after CoE. God knows they need a holiday, but it just doesn't feel plausible to me, knowing how they choose duty over and over. And of course having seen them choose duty, and on one memorable occasion vote screw it, we want them to get their freedom and their happily ever afters... but I just feel strongly that they'd manage a holiday for... maybe whole numbers of weeks, if it were a busmans holiday like the Doctor always manages. And after that they'd need to know Cardiff was okay roughly like you'd need to know if you left the cooker on.

I love the ones where everything gets declassified and everything changes.
It's perpetually frustrating that, in order to stay relatable and one step around the corner for new and young viewers, DW is just not going to do that.
Everthing resets instead.



I get tired of the tragic endings. Yes, the story can lead us through satisfyingly cathartic dark places, but, anyone can set it up and then leave it in the bad bit. Stories should figure it out and fix it too.



I've seen recent pictures of GDL and quite a large part of what I want is for Ianto to also have the chance to keep up. Live as long and look as good. It feels important more people get a turn at that.



Happily ever after isnt a childish ending. Leaving it in the dark seems teenage. Like you get scared and hide in a dark corner, but the good bit is figuring how to get out.

And it isn't really immortality angst when you get upset about having to watch everyone die
if they die like, every year. Every couple of years, tops.
That's just regular horrible trauma.



... give Jack the highly specific trauma he deserves, after spending the rest of the century watching Ianto grow old with him!

Ianto is such a classic character though. He's got that whole well organised butler sinks into the background thing going on, and then suddenly everyone has to *see* him and notice there's been wells of desperate passion driving him all along. And then he goes back to quiet competence? As you do? And getting underestimated, over and over. And that time he had to shoot Owen because both of them were absolutely certain they were doing their duty, that is good stuff. And just in general, the way Ianto will make a straight line plan starting where he is and going where he needs to go, and just do it, and you think he is therefor Fine, but he is having all the feelings, loudly, actually, and just getting everything done Anyway.

That's a kind of guy who could age in such interesting ways. Because maybe he continues to find someone to Follow, and Serve, and Look After. And they continue to wonder what they did to earn that. Or maybe he sort of grows into himself, and becomes the kind of highly competent leader who also knows how to get his people whatever they need. He could keep on trying to keep his feelings on the inside, or he could have his feelings out loud where actual other people can see them on a more frequent basis. And if he does, either way, it could be about growing out of insecurity into confidence, or he could keep that flaw of thinking he has to hide his needs in order to get a sliver of what is needed. Plenty of good story!

I do kind of want to see him as a parent, but not so much in the ways kidfic mostly covers, where there is A Cute Accessory that lets us see how much they Care. More like... for those of us who are not Immortal and unaging, there comes a day where someone else has to look after us, because they are more capable than we are today. Or than we will be anymore.

I think Ianto would have some Adjustments to make, to be the recipient of care.

And then his kids grow up a bit and want to work, want to *serve*, and how is he going to adjust to that? Send them elsewhere or set them up in Torchwood? Keep them where he can keep an eye on them, but everyone will know that's what he's doing?

(Not to mention the teenage years where the kids go all Sarah Jane Adventures but Ianto is very aware that the stakes are always Torchwood and his reality has no plot armour.)

They wouldnt have to be his biological kids for a lot of this to apply, obvs. Just, there keep being people who are Younger. Now what?

So the interesting bits about getting older when your partner doesn't, those would include watching him keep doing the same things the same ways, and you can't anymore... but maybe your kids can. And that is going to feel a whole heap of ways.

And Ianto admires James Bond so being a field agent seems like the height of glamor, but what if you hit the height of skill, and yet the rest of you doesn't keep up?

Kind of like Owen and Andy are doing in the audios, where Owen just can't risk getting any more broken, so then Andy gets hurt, and nobody is happy about that.

But instead like, an older Ianto has Jack as a model, someone to look up to and admire, and that includes a tendency to be the one throwing himself into danger. Yvonne didnt flinch from throwing other people in harm's way, and I feel Not Being Yvonne is going to be a legit priority in Torchwood future. But at some point you just arent the best option for the mission. It's time to send someone else.

I want to see someone adjust to those sort of long term changes.

TV isn't the format for that, unless you set up parallel stories, or giant flashbacks.

Fic can have it covered though.




Anyways, food delivery arriving, these are just some thoughts.
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I am still rereading the InCryptid books.

I think I read some of the writing is a response to Supernatural treating a particular character badly
and I have read the author was in Buffy fandom
and the stories seem very much in dialogue with that too

but that keeps meaning I keep staring into space imagining giving Giles these books to read, or telling the Initiative what they're doing wrong in small words, or, you know, taking the whole political reframing back to the source text I'm familiar with and letting it make the good guys somewhat less than shiny.

I also kind of want to rewatch Lost Girl.


The thing is BtVS and many others make monsters by making metaphor literal. Wrestling with your demons, now with bonus action sequences. And that can tell a powerful set of stories.
But it also leaves this ugly angle where it is possible to look like a person, act like a person, have been a person up until very recently, but still not count as a person any more today.

Vampires as a metaphor for sexual assault or vampirism for addiction or whatever the metaphor is today, solid story mileage.
The part where the story then just solves it with a stake... oh, so many layers of problem.
Read more... )


I have no conclusions, just vague themes and some pondering.

I took that thought for a wander for like an hour.


But it bothers me. I don't know how to design a story that tells things the way I want to see them. I seem to have programmed me wrong, somewhere.

shall think on it.
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Today's useful and productive daydreaming while staring at the ceiling is on the theme of
applying D&D/Pathfinder style magic items to other canons
to fix all the things.

Read more... )

I have rambled all over the place under that cut. Lots of vaguely connected ideas.

I sat down to write something quick about daydreaming of applying magic healing to people either transported to safety (word of recall) or preserved until they could be rescued (gentle repose).

I like the idea people would have to actually work out their problems that way.

But I don't watch the work out their problems genres. I watch the cathartic violence power fantasy kill sort of genres. I should really find other genres.


Still, even in the shows where people just don't stay dead (Thawne), it is perfectly plausible that people they've traumatised (Barry) just react with doubling down on attempts to end them. I mean, from B's point of view, what kind of problem do they have to resolve? That Thawne kills people. Which he will indeed xease to do if they can get him to stay dead this time. So.

... the story looks like it's handing us attempts at resolution and chances for the Hero to be magnanimous, but depowered and in a cage or death of personality in a lab somehow both lead to messy death, and I am just... not a fan of that part.


I guess I need to find the stories where they do the thesis antithesis synthesis thing, instead of stasis vs change where protecting the status quo is the win.



I ramble and have resolved nothing though.
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Don't really have anything to say, have had a couple of days of mostly staring at nothing much thinking about nothing and everything.

The Flash and the way the show treats Thawne has been bothering me, but not in a write fix it fic way, because it's too pervasive. It's not a single thing that needs resolved, it's years of writing choices that make it no fun for me. I keep circling back to earlier in the show but there isn't any point it treats people the way I would. I can't fanfic or AU it from their starting premises.

The thing is I have a tendency to see hero and villain as thesis and antithesis, and the natural answer to their problems as synthesis, somewhere in the middle. But these superhero stories exist in a cyclical stasis where the hero preserves a status quo Read more... )

I don't know, I wouldnt write any of it this way. The genre endures because of the cyclical aspects, but it frustrates immensely for the same reasons.



So then I try to think about something entirely unrelated but it doesn't work because my brain isn't done chewing on that arrowverse stuff yet.

Which is the same reason I can't get started watching anything else.

So I guess I'm just going to do a bit of nothing for a bit.



On the plus side I got my tasks done for the week so far, including sorting things ready to throw out.
The bag 'so many cables' is going to resolve years worth of drawer mess.
Also I couldnt get the batteries out of one flashing little lamp I have that has a :-) face, and the batteries looked discolored and not right, so I was :( and thought I'd have to throw it away. But then I saw how to get the whole mechanism out, so I have the :-) guy and the light is ready to throw away.

:-)

And cleaner day happened correctly, so, things are holding steady.



I just get stuck on stories.

Well there's not much else to do.
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Have been reading enough different fandoms of one author's work that I feel I have spotted a pattern.
They ship the one with the morals with the one with the means.
Or possibly the one close enough to see the problem with the one who can do anything about it.

This results in a lot of stuff that looks very much like
monarchy yaay, kings and emperors for the win, or, translated to the modern, lets get some billionaires applied to this problem
since the ones with the means didnt usually get them by being nice about it.

But it's more about finding one person with all the leverage
and then applying attractive enough encouragement
that they use it.

Read more... )

ANYway, I'm not naming the author in case I'm making imaginary patterns, and I'm not criticising them either, they can write what pleases them, and clearly do.

I was just thinking about getting things done.


It would really be super nifty if there was one person you could just ask
and they'd think you were so right about everything
they'd do.
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RPG rulebooks skip over a lot of inplications in favour of making it easy to do the expected thing. So there are spells for bringing back the dead. And there's a sort of assumption that you'll use them on PCs, and use the money you earn for things other than Raise All The Dead Ever. Like, if you use it for that, you'll be severely under equipped later and probably get eated. And the adventure paths so far have mostly dealt with the potential to bring people back by just saying they're too far down the river of souls and it dont work.

But the world they write is way too unstrange for ressurection to be any degree of common, even for the aristocracy.

A lot of social institutions are way too lazily familiar even without magic. Primogeniture as the only inheritance method? Marriage without definition, meaning in practice lifelong monogamy? And the ways the social norms entirely fail to reflect the diversity of the deities! There was a priest of the goddess of travellers who set off the plot by punishing his daughter for having sex outside of marriage. For a goddess of luck and dreams and following your own light, how does that value set even make sense?

But then, add magic.

It's awkward if your ex turns up at your wedding. It is past awkward and into worlds of plot if they had been until recently deceased.

You'd get all sorts of problems that even Bujold with Cryoburn barely dipped into.

It is a fundamental fact of Pathfinder or DnD that death is reversible. If you have enough money and enough magic, you can get anyone back. If you're on good terms with a druid you can even get them back from death of old age, possibly as another species, but with their mind basically intact.

So what does that do to every legal and financial structure and institution? How do they deal with persons who only intermittently exist? Do they swear Until Death and if so are they realistic about what that means?

What do you do about inheritance if the deceased comes back and wants their stuff?

Heck, with high enough level magic, time is almost no object: what do you do about entire royal lines if famtasy King William or Queen Elizabeth is suddenly alive and well again?

You'd have problems of identity, obviously. You'd need to confirm someone was who they said they were. But having done so... then what?

And the thing is all those different religions in the rule book would each approach this *differently*, due to the fundamentally different approaches each represents. And every one of those religions would have internal divisions too. And these disagreements would be about the most fundamental day to day stuff.

... I keep landing back on who is married to who and under what circumstances it could wear off, because how much fic could this be relevant to? Like, fantasy world Steve and Peggy and Bucky would have *layers* of complication.

... fantasy world Captain America would have to deal with being the once and future. People would call him back to life any time they thought their side needed a little mythic support. ... exhausting.



I like stories where nobody gets killed off because then questions need answers and problems need dealt with, not just ended.

But it do have some knock ons.
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Today a thing that is bothering me about TV shows is how the whole money and time underpinning of Regular Recurring Guest etc distorts our view of the story and privileges the regulars over... everyone. In universe.

Like obviously this is an access problem. There are as many people in a fictional world as in a real one, we have at the outside an hour a week to spend looking at them, mostly we arent looking.

But in universe the people doing the saving spend a lot more time and effort on some people than others, and in universe in some shows the regulars are the only help there is.

So they save the world, starting with their friends. And that is fair because they too only have so many hours in the day. But because of the whole 'plucky band of heroes, vastly outnumbered' structure most stuff I watch has set up, their actions just... damp out. Status quo ante may reassert itself, but things dont get better. And that means the group of people doing the helping stays like, Team and Team adjacent.

I've been reading a lot of BtVS fic and that one is a particularly acute example up until season 7. Read more... )


I have really lost the habit of essay writing and this is not a tight coherent argument.

It's just

the story stops focusing on people who arent being paid to be there this week
and the story often keeps the regular characters isolated as a way to raise stakes
and these things push a particular model of problem solving that tends towards the toxic

individuals with protagonist power do all the deciding themselves and solve only this week's acute problem

and I would rather
not.

Read more... )


I want to see what happens to everyone else.

Thinking about Buffy the Vampire Slayers this go around...
Read more... )

Writers set up problems so they need solving through violence.

Dont like the spell someone is doing as a prayer to their god? Well smash the god!
... which is messed up. Other times to break a curse Giles made his own offering. That's an option.

So I want there to be more times when the story is set up to give kind options.

Read more... )

Humans have communicated, negotiated, allied, formed communities, since at least the start of being human. We are so pack bondy we bond across species. We get concerned about non sentient robotic appliances. We are legit upset when the battery runs out on a rolling camera, because we liked the rolling camera bot a lot. We care! We develop entire civilisations starting from the basic building blocks of being able to care about everything!

And art, narrative, story, it's an incredibly powerful tool for building empathy and understanding. Give us access to the stories of people very unlike ourselves and we can and will start to care about them. If science fiction is good at anything it's good at that.



But we also have anger. And hoped for catharsis. And I guess there's shows that just... zoom right in on that.



But I want to find more of the stories where we actually have to figure things out and build a world together.

Even for the bitey ones.




Or, I guess, write them
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Thinking about the utter destruction of the multiverse
as you do
it occured to me that someone who could write that and expect readers to roll with it fundamentally doesn't think of a character as a single continuous person.

Post Crisis they can still write stories about their characters. As archetypes. Read more... )
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Sometimes people's Watsonian analysis of texts pure *worries* me.

They're like, okay, Angsty White Guy did an evil and betrayed everyone
but look
results!
Clearly since he saved the world
he did the right thing!

And I'm just like
Doylist
analysis
needed:

Why does some guy with a typewriter want you to see it that way?

Why does some guy typing somehow always make it okay when
that guy
we know which guy
always that guy
does a violence and ignores the laws?

What are they selling
and why are we buying it?




I realise I watch a lot of shows where people use violence For Great Justice
and I have had Things To Say about, basically, the bad guys, and how also they have a point

so I'm sure I've done this
I'm sure I've worried others

what am I selling?


I am not liking the logic on
the argument that goes
but it works, look at the results!

when every result is because
some guy typed that.



Bad guy plans never work for long:
good guy plans always do in the appropriate act
after setbacks, so it dont seem too easy.

So who is designating good and bad here
and why?



Ends justify the means is not a moral to the story I want.

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Mar. 23rd, 2021 05:08 pm
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I have been re reading 'Paladin of Souls' and getting distracted in both directions.
Daydreaming other stuff instead of Chalion, and then taking Chalion for a wander too.
Ista is a wonderful character and I love how everyone's choices make sense.

I was thinking about Pathfinder rules and how they lend themselves to characters who start adventuring a bit later in life. Say someone with an interest in magic who took many years to actually make it work, but can only cantrip after 35 and waits til age 53 to get a first level spell. From the ppint of view of someone with a rule book, that is a characrer whose stats only made it to 10 and 11 because age bonuses, and they're unlikely to be optimised as a spellcasting class. But in universe, that would be someone who reached and studied and tried, and finally got their reward. Power. But the rulebook knows they're not going to get level 2 spells until they increase their stats again. They probably dont. There are spells that tell you someone's INT or CHA, but most people most of the time would just be guessing. So they'd work away diligently and not know that without enhancement the best they'll ever be is casting level 6.

Maybe a lifetime of frustration, maybe someone with their priorities elsewhere.


Or: people in universe dont get to choose their stats. So someone could have stats to be an excellent wizard, but all they want in the world is divine magic. And the presumed a approval of their deity. And they wont get it, if they havent the wisdom score, even if their deity likes them very well. So they can master the arcane arts, but never really know what their deity thinks of that.

The rule books make it clear that not all priests are clerics. They can be a wizard priest. But without getting actual miracles live and direct... they'll end up wondering.

And maybe pouring improvement into Wisdom, even when it makes no game mechanical sense. And hoping age will teach them a thing or two.


And that's just Humans. If you add in half elves or haof orcs you have stories of people getting on quicker or slower than expected, and how that will feel. Half orcs grow up fast. It ought to look like being smartest, learning quickest, but orcs have a reputation as not smart at all, so there's tension in the image there.

(So much of the history and game rules doesnt match what we're told people believe about each other. Which I guess is realistic, in its way.)

Half elves grow up slow and frow old slower. But they're just as sharp as anyone, eventually. So what reputation do they get? Slow as in stupid or getting the credit for getting there eventually?


... if they are a Wizard one suspects not stupid. Wizards having many ways to answer that kind of reputation. But they'd still have spent more years than their peers just too young to start studying.


So, head full of thoughts about age and time and learning and adventure. Capacity and lack thereof. And how no one actually wants to have a dump stat.

Gets in the way.



Still, just thought doodles for now.

I shall continue reading.
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I was thinking about Legends of Tomorrow and the Arrowverse...

... okay, first I was thinking about teaching at Sunnydale High, and then about iambic pentameter, amd then about how Shakespeare endures because his characters are just so human

and that Legends of Tomorrow episode where he started writing about superheroes? That would be like, retro, like old school King Arthur stuff, all those sagas about some super warrior with a super power. Those had been around. Shakespeare wrote about people shaped people. Imitable violence. And one reason the royal stories endure is when your family argues it can feel like the end of the world, like it can bring down kingdoms and end everything, even if family mostly tends to involve less stabbing and poison and so on. So instead of portraying nobles as fundamentally different than thee and I, the stories we keep hold of are just, like, what if they're just us? Us but with all the power. Fucked up families that can start wars.

So if he was writing about superheroes, the powers part might grab the attention, but I reckon he'd write more about how they're people sized people. You know? Like sure they can shake the world, but they're us.

And I was thinking how Legends of Tomorrow, by being completely gonzo and able to have anything happen, has *very* people shaped people. Read more... )

So that's my thoughts for the day.
... I have a college trained urge to go looking for sources and making sure I know what I'm talking about, but it is like half one in the morning, I probably do not know what I'm talking about.


But these are the kind of thoughts I'm having lately. Wandering ones, cause it's not like we need to get anywhere.


Maybe I should go watch some episodes or something...
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I need to sit down and make words go in a row again. Any. Whatever story comes out of my head, getting written down.


For a while now I've been meaning to do like a rewrite of Star Trek but translated into fantasy. So they don't have sufficiently advanced scienxe, they have straight up magic.

Which means they have the Prime Directive episode where they cannot reveal themselves to the locals because they are Insufficiently Advanced, but they mean the locals can't even do cantrips.
Read more... )

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