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beccaelizabeth) wrote2006-11-15 10:08 pm
beccaelizabeth) wrote2006-11-15 10:08 pm
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Torchwood ep 5
Damn that was good.
Captain Jack.
Anyone that was wondering if John Barrowman can act?
That would be a *yes*.
Whole conversations in facial expression in that one. *Love* it.
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Yeah, nice exit line.
And notice how they *break* the pattern this time - they've extablished those cosy back to status quo shots, Jack+Gwen. At the end of this one? Jack asking them to tell him what else he could have done - and so very meaning it. Them all ignoring him, walking past head down, him left outside and alone. And Gwen back at the base cleaning up the rubbish, and going back to the photo she so casually dismissed earlier, to find it had the answer in it all along.
No fate but what you make?
Some pretty damn big powers have an opinion on how to make it.
I now retroactively like the slightly clunky endings, because now they use them.
Back up at the start - Jack sleeping naked, obvious yaay. But I adore the way they bring the creep in nice and slow. Nightmare images that play out over and over with no variation, no way they know to vary it. This isn't over, just over for now.
Then Jack going up to his desk, and finding the rose petal there.
Roses have so many layers of symbolism - but red roses are passionate love, and we get a lot of that here. Misplaced, twisted, wrong - the paedophile chasing the young girl. Like the other monsters, a consuming kind of passion that would twist her to their own purposes. Make her a monster like them.
This episode is all about *Jack*. The more I read the meta layers the more I simultaneously want to hug him and get some serious fucking therapy. Choked by an excess of passion? Everyone around him, everyone he cares about.
But not Jack?
He just gets a petal left on his desk.
They tried?
And Gwen saved him?
hello foreshadowy goodness.
My mind, it is full of symbols and spin.
This one has layers.
It also has some dodgy CGI monsters that were far better when we couldn't see them. If it was me I'd just take them out and blur them. Far, far better to have to fill in the details ourselves. Sorry, I've said it before, will say it again.
One thing that was mentioned that didn't pay off - control over the elements, water air and fire.
When the bloke was working the bbq I winced in anticipation, because we'd had water and air, and so logically...
But no.
So why not?
Water for emotion, and Jack's tears to match.
Air for thought, at the school, to trash the ones with the bad words.
No fire. Back to the rose petals, trying to choke them both.
Treating Jack the same as Roy, right then?
Jack making the decisions. Letting the kid go because he knows they really can do what they threaten.
Find the chosen ones through time - hello to the creepy.
This was definitely *all* about Jack, and ... yeah, hug him, but worry for him.
Oh, and also, at the start? Jack and Ianto. Jack to Ianto, "you shouldn't be here". Ianto to Jack "Neither should you". And then Jack putting a hand on Ianto's shoulder, and Ianto reacting to that. I read it that Ianto was unaccustomed to such gestures and didn't know quite how to take it. And it also follows on from last week, that Ianto is still a bit jumpy and not sure of his place. But, Jack is using physical reassurance to make up for the words.
... I suddenly had a feeling like it was kind of silly to read for subtext when there's, you know, actual kissing. But. Yeah. There's a whole Jack-Ianto layer there.
This show is hitting so many of my kinks. It's like somebody collected all the good bits from all my old fandoms and poured them in together and then added actual slash.
I have whirlwind thoughts because too much cool in too small a space.
(entirely unspoiled) Predictions for next week: Tosh and Owen and maybe Ianto were busy doing that while Jack and Gwen were being most of this ep, so the weighting will be the other way around there.
No, I'm not 100% sure. Tosh was physically present and had lines. Owen had a few lines and a couple of times he checked someone was dead. Ianto might go back to wallpaper. So you never really know.
But we're more than due a Tosh episode, and maybe there's some Tosh-Owen to explore?
Also in the context of this week it is interesting that Owen got left out, given his particular darkness. Keeps his dark out of the story as well as him.
I absolutely love this show. I really really do.
Now I need to attempt to get 8 hours sleep before 0645 tomorrow. Wish me luck.
Captain Jack.
Anyone that was wondering if John Barrowman can act?
That would be a *yes*.
Whole conversations in facial expression in that one. *Love* it.
For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.
Yeah, nice exit line.
And notice how they *break* the pattern this time - they've extablished those cosy back to status quo shots, Jack+Gwen. At the end of this one? Jack asking them to tell him what else he could have done - and so very meaning it. Them all ignoring him, walking past head down, him left outside and alone. And Gwen back at the base cleaning up the rubbish, and going back to the photo she so casually dismissed earlier, to find it had the answer in it all along.
No fate but what you make?
Some pretty damn big powers have an opinion on how to make it.
I now retroactively like the slightly clunky endings, because now they use them.
Back up at the start - Jack sleeping naked, obvious yaay. But I adore the way they bring the creep in nice and slow. Nightmare images that play out over and over with no variation, no way they know to vary it. This isn't over, just over for now.
Then Jack going up to his desk, and finding the rose petal there.
Roses have so many layers of symbolism - but red roses are passionate love, and we get a lot of that here. Misplaced, twisted, wrong - the paedophile chasing the young girl. Like the other monsters, a consuming kind of passion that would twist her to their own purposes. Make her a monster like them.
This episode is all about *Jack*. The more I read the meta layers the more I simultaneously want to hug him and get some serious fucking therapy. Choked by an excess of passion? Everyone around him, everyone he cares about.
But not Jack?
He just gets a petal left on his desk.
They tried?
And Gwen saved him?
hello foreshadowy goodness.
My mind, it is full of symbols and spin.
This one has layers.
It also has some dodgy CGI monsters that were far better when we couldn't see them. If it was me I'd just take them out and blur them. Far, far better to have to fill in the details ourselves. Sorry, I've said it before, will say it again.
One thing that was mentioned that didn't pay off - control over the elements, water air and fire.
When the bloke was working the bbq I winced in anticipation, because we'd had water and air, and so logically...
But no.
So why not?
Water for emotion, and Jack's tears to match.
Air for thought, at the school, to trash the ones with the bad words.
No fire. Back to the rose petals, trying to choke them both.
Treating Jack the same as Roy, right then?
Jack making the decisions. Letting the kid go because he knows they really can do what they threaten.
Find the chosen ones through time - hello to the creepy.
This was definitely *all* about Jack, and ... yeah, hug him, but worry for him.
Oh, and also, at the start? Jack and Ianto. Jack to Ianto, "you shouldn't be here". Ianto to Jack "Neither should you". And then Jack putting a hand on Ianto's shoulder, and Ianto reacting to that. I read it that Ianto was unaccustomed to such gestures and didn't know quite how to take it. And it also follows on from last week, that Ianto is still a bit jumpy and not sure of his place. But, Jack is using physical reassurance to make up for the words.
... I suddenly had a feeling like it was kind of silly to read for subtext when there's, you know, actual kissing. But. Yeah. There's a whole Jack-Ianto layer there.
This show is hitting so many of my kinks. It's like somebody collected all the good bits from all my old fandoms and poured them in together and then added actual slash.
I have whirlwind thoughts because too much cool in too small a space.
(entirely unspoiled) Predictions for next week: Tosh and Owen and maybe Ianto were busy doing that while Jack and Gwen were being most of this ep, so the weighting will be the other way around there.
No, I'm not 100% sure. Tosh was physically present and had lines. Owen had a few lines and a couple of times he checked someone was dead. Ianto might go back to wallpaper. So you never really know.
But we're more than due a Tosh episode, and maybe there's some Tosh-Owen to explore?
Also in the context of this week it is interesting that Owen got left out, given his particular darkness. Keeps his dark out of the story as well as him.
I absolutely love this show. I really really do.
Now I need to attempt to get 8 hours sleep before 0645 tomorrow. Wish me luck.
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*ponders*
except for, they were not leaves.
Choking on Rose maybe.
... I weren't thinking of it that way up because now Rose is gone I happily edit her from my universe :eyeroll:
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What's dark about Owen? He's great. :)
Actually, watching it again, there's the scene in the cell where Tosh and Gwen between them seem to be doing Owen's job/speaking his lines, and I'm wondering if this one was filmed at around the time Burn Gorman's wife gave birth. Would certainly explain his rather odd absence in the episode!
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Tosh in the cell did rather fuzzy up who does what job.
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Rose petals... I tried to make something of Estelle's name, something about Jack and stars and loss - perhaps that he has lost the capacity to travel among the stars and now has doubly lost Estelle - lost her in the 1940s and then again now. She can die, he can't. Come to think of it, he lost Rose twice too, once in "The Parting of the Ways" and then (though he presumably doesn't know what happened) in "Doomsday".
It also has some dodgy CGI monsters that were far better when we couldn't see them. If it was me I'd just take them out and blur them.
I agree. The faeries that looked like shining wing-shapes were fine. The faeries that looked like the Impossible Man from the Planet Pop-up were ... mildly annoying.
Jack to Ianto, "you shouldn't be here". Ianto to Jack "Neither should you".
I keep trying to read more meaning into that, and I don't mean slashy subtext. (Who needs subtext when we have text?) No, it's the idea that Jack shouldn't be there - he should be in another century, or he should be dead on a game station - but here he is. Perhaps that is all the double/triple meaning it has, because I don't expect Ianto can have more dark secrets.
This show is hitting so many of my kinks. It's like somebody collected all the good bits from all my old fandoms and poured them in together and then added actual slash.
Uh-huh, that's just the way I feel.
too much cool in too small a space.
Well said. May I quote you in my LJ?
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I'm quoteable? Okay. :)