Doctor Who more meta
Jul. 4th, 2007 01:27 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethYeah, spoilers, whole season
I think there was a whole parents and children thing and I'm going to let my typing figure it out. Something about parents who would do anything for their children, children growing up just like parents, and then children who let the parents do all the work.
So I'm reading some nice meta about life and death in Doctor Who and how good guys pay their own price and bad guys make other people pay it.
The weird humans! In a ball! Did what all the villains this season did – they shunted the price off onto someone else. This time the someone else was their ancestors, the timeline, and by extension a big chunk of the universe.
Which made me think:
Parents would often willingly pay the price for their children. But... other people paying the price is what bad guys do, right? Hmmm.
We had the Family of Blood, who wanted the Doctor so their son could live.
We had Martha's parents, who said they'd die to kill the Master but didn't want to let Tish do the same.
And we had the Toclafane, who went all childish and are very distant descendants and are only sort of vaguely like children and parents, but they came back demanding that their ancestors pay all the price. And also amuse them. And were all "aren't we pretty?" And when they were revealed had that kid as their representative phrase - sky diamonds - connect them up with the small person.
But while the kid was alive they were old enough to work. Now they're all in little shiny capsules they just have fun.
It went the other way around as well - grown ups getting children to pay. John Smith called out the school to fight the Family that was after him. But that's sort of generally acknowledged to be bad, hiding behind children.
Trying to protect children is usually thought of as a good thing. But when the eventual children decide they're *entitled* to just take it all, decide it should be theirs and why should they pay when their ancestors can...
Season finale monsters were spoiled brat descendants?
I'm thinking how the Master's new bit of backstory saying he went mad as a child is a thing.
I'm also thinking somebody doesn't like kids much ;-)
See the thing is going around being all heroic means going around making sacrifices.
... but it doesn't always work out real well.
Like if the kids don't earn it they end up kind of messed up?
Growing up and doing the right thing and working and going off to fight if you have to is apparently a Good Thing... except for when it leads to being a head in a ball or in a big war. But the kid in the war survived.
Sometimes the kids grow up as monsters. That's the Master's thing. Saw him as a kid, going mad. Saw him doing bad things. Saw the Doctor try to help him. Because you'd help the kid, so when would you stop helping him? If you're the Doctor, never stop. Cause he's good.
... then the Doctor would be all paying to try and get the Master to be sane and stuff. Hmmm2.
Okay, this thought went nowhere.
*shrugs*
I think there was a whole parents and children thing and I'm going to let my typing figure it out. Something about parents who would do anything for their children, children growing up just like parents, and then children who let the parents do all the work.
So I'm reading some nice meta about life and death in Doctor Who and how good guys pay their own price and bad guys make other people pay it.
The weird humans! In a ball! Did what all the villains this season did – they shunted the price off onto someone else. This time the someone else was their ancestors, the timeline, and by extension a big chunk of the universe.
Which made me think:
Parents would often willingly pay the price for their children. But... other people paying the price is what bad guys do, right? Hmmm.
We had the Family of Blood, who wanted the Doctor so their son could live.
We had Martha's parents, who said they'd die to kill the Master but didn't want to let Tish do the same.
And we had the Toclafane, who went all childish and are very distant descendants and are only sort of vaguely like children and parents, but they came back demanding that their ancestors pay all the price. And also amuse them. And were all "aren't we pretty?" And when they were revealed had that kid as their representative phrase - sky diamonds - connect them up with the small person.
But while the kid was alive they were old enough to work. Now they're all in little shiny capsules they just have fun.
It went the other way around as well - grown ups getting children to pay. John Smith called out the school to fight the Family that was after him. But that's sort of generally acknowledged to be bad, hiding behind children.
Trying to protect children is usually thought of as a good thing. But when the eventual children decide they're *entitled* to just take it all, decide it should be theirs and why should they pay when their ancestors can...
Season finale monsters were spoiled brat descendants?
I'm thinking how the Master's new bit of backstory saying he went mad as a child is a thing.
I'm also thinking somebody doesn't like kids much ;-)
See the thing is going around being all heroic means going around making sacrifices.
... but it doesn't always work out real well.
Like if the kids don't earn it they end up kind of messed up?
Growing up and doing the right thing and working and going off to fight if you have to is apparently a Good Thing... except for when it leads to being a head in a ball or in a big war. But the kid in the war survived.
Sometimes the kids grow up as monsters. That's the Master's thing. Saw him as a kid, going mad. Saw him doing bad things. Saw the Doctor try to help him. Because you'd help the kid, so when would you stop helping him? If you're the Doctor, never stop. Cause he's good.
... then the Doctor would be all paying to try and get the Master to be sane and stuff. Hmmm2.
Okay, this thought went nowhere.
*shrugs*