And now Rose is gone.
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beccaelizabethFinished watching Doomsday.
... I can no longer be slightly sad about that departure.
The basic problem is in the last minutes:
ROSE: Can't you come through properly?
HOLO-DOCTOR: The whole thing would fracture. Two universes would collapse.
ROSE: So?
I think the Doctor must think she's joking. Or how could he keep liking her?
The Doctor says trying would destroy two universes.
And she says, So?
How selfish can you be?
So I know I'm supposed to care, and I remember caring when they were stuck on the same wall two universes apart, but then there's that.
Which is a pity, because it's a proper spectacular before that.
Torchwood gets revealed, and killed. Which seems a bit harsh, and once again it's a woman being in charge and reckoning the Doctor is not the boss of that, and that goes poorly for her.
Watsonian, Yvonne got what she invested heavily in making happen. Empire indeed.
Doylist, why another woman?
I did like Jackie running up and down stairs in the middle of an adventure.
Didn't like how the story acted like it was obvious it wasn't ghosts. All sorts of things are true in that universe, weird rift stuff happens, why not ghosts?
Mickey was cool.
Raj getting killed was not, but it was a very equal opportunity mass slaughter of TW1.
All that shiny shiny tech they had, who do you think nicked it, after?
I don't reckon TW3 would have had first pick, there's not enough of them to just grab it and Jack doesn't so the politics real well.
After watching several seasons of The Flash I am even less happy about the Pete and Jackie situation. That's two entirely different people. No two Wellses are the same. Entirely different world. Entirely different politics. And yet the thing where they look familiar is meant to be enough?
It seems like a little kid fantasy of what to do for your parents, not an actual people being actual individuals story.
Pete and Pete are no more alike than twins raised in different countries. One where it's normal to have armed guards and curfew, and he seemed fine with that. Messes.
... so it's an interesting story but it annoys me when this story seems to think they're swappable. shouldn't work that way.
All the alternate earths being created by different choices though, there are so many, and anything can happen anywhere.
... kind of thinking a great many of them just die though. like, the odds are never great. probably we're watching the best one...
I liked watching these, but they did not make me like Rose right then.
Choosing to travel with the Doctor, great. Choosing to stay with him at great personal risk, also great.
Wanting to get him back, understandable.
Trying to get him back by destroying two universes, well into bad guy territory and accelerating.
So the lasting impression of Rose is very much colored by the read of that.
Which is a pity really, because the big adventures parts are good.
I was also thinking about how Rose insists he does all the world saving alone, except now he's got her.
Which... she's in a room with Mickey, she travelled with Jack, she met Sarah Jane, that's already a very specific definition of alone.
But I was thinking why in his universe the Doctor is lonely even when he has had so many friends. Granted some of them would be mad at him, but there's so many doors he could turn up at.
But whoever he went to, they knew him Before. He'd either expalin what happened since then or he wouldn't. They'd either look at him different or they wouldn't. And maybe he's not up to any of those options yet.
Like the mum in Fear Her, just not talking about it and moving on, but it left them both lonely.
So the Doctor is lonely, but it's a bit because to fix that he'd have to let people Know.
Rose just looked at him like he's new and brilliant.
So having new friends is going to be good for him.
and the story.
... I can no longer be slightly sad about that departure.
The basic problem is in the last minutes:
ROSE: Can't you come through properly?
HOLO-DOCTOR: The whole thing would fracture. Two universes would collapse.
ROSE: So?
I think the Doctor must think she's joking. Or how could he keep liking her?
The Doctor says trying would destroy two universes.
And she says, So?
How selfish can you be?
So I know I'm supposed to care, and I remember caring when they were stuck on the same wall two universes apart, but then there's that.
Which is a pity, because it's a proper spectacular before that.
Torchwood gets revealed, and killed. Which seems a bit harsh, and once again it's a woman being in charge and reckoning the Doctor is not the boss of that, and that goes poorly for her.
Watsonian, Yvonne got what she invested heavily in making happen. Empire indeed.
Doylist, why another woman?
I did like Jackie running up and down stairs in the middle of an adventure.
Didn't like how the story acted like it was obvious it wasn't ghosts. All sorts of things are true in that universe, weird rift stuff happens, why not ghosts?
Mickey was cool.
Raj getting killed was not, but it was a very equal opportunity mass slaughter of TW1.
All that shiny shiny tech they had, who do you think nicked it, after?
I don't reckon TW3 would have had first pick, there's not enough of them to just grab it and Jack doesn't so the politics real well.
After watching several seasons of The Flash I am even less happy about the Pete and Jackie situation. That's two entirely different people. No two Wellses are the same. Entirely different world. Entirely different politics. And yet the thing where they look familiar is meant to be enough?
It seems like a little kid fantasy of what to do for your parents, not an actual people being actual individuals story.
Pete and Pete are no more alike than twins raised in different countries. One where it's normal to have armed guards and curfew, and he seemed fine with that. Messes.
... so it's an interesting story but it annoys me when this story seems to think they're swappable. shouldn't work that way.
All the alternate earths being created by different choices though, there are so many, and anything can happen anywhere.
... kind of thinking a great many of them just die though. like, the odds are never great. probably we're watching the best one...
I liked watching these, but they did not make me like Rose right then.
Choosing to travel with the Doctor, great. Choosing to stay with him at great personal risk, also great.
Wanting to get him back, understandable.
Trying to get him back by destroying two universes, well into bad guy territory and accelerating.
So the lasting impression of Rose is very much colored by the read of that.
Which is a pity really, because the big adventures parts are good.
I was also thinking about how Rose insists he does all the world saving alone, except now he's got her.
Which... she's in a room with Mickey, she travelled with Jack, she met Sarah Jane, that's already a very specific definition of alone.
But I was thinking why in his universe the Doctor is lonely even when he has had so many friends. Granted some of them would be mad at him, but there's so many doors he could turn up at.
But whoever he went to, they knew him Before. He'd either expalin what happened since then or he wouldn't. They'd either look at him different or they wouldn't. And maybe he's not up to any of those options yet.
Like the mum in Fear Her, just not talking about it and moving on, but it left them both lonely.
So the Doctor is lonely, but it's a bit because to fix that he'd have to let people Know.
Rose just looked at him like he's new and brilliant.
So having new friends is going to be good for him.
and the story.
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Date: 2019-09-14 12:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-09-14 05:19 pm (UTC)seems like because she focuses so hard on the Doctor and his reactions rather than the worlds they're saving, she kind of shrinks.