Wild and uninformed speculation
Jun. 24th, 2007 09:27 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethAm awake. At 0900. WTF?
Also apparently got nail varnish flake in my ear overnight. This is not a hazard that had previously occured to me.
Woke up speculating about Doctor Who
as you do
So Jack stayed on the aircraft carrier and can't run away now.
The Doctor is reallyreally old.
And the Toclafane would break his hearts.
...
Jack+Doctor=youthing?
I mean if it's actual Lazarus energy then logically the Doctor should turn into a big scorpion vampire thingy, which would be cool, but somewhat unusual for a major hero.
But Lazarus made it work by absorbing energy
and Jack has energy to spare.
Plus I reallreally want to see a Doctor/Jack kiss of life.
Or, you know, kiss. In general.
They've got to kiss! It's no fun if there's no kissing!
And that "You too" line was funny, and possibly feels true a couple hundred years after being abandoned, but they were all flirty in Boom Town so it don't quite fit.
Someone was wondering why Jack is there. Well to start with anyone who doesn't watch Torchwood (several million viewers) has been wondering if he even got off the Game Station (well, they've seen the advertising, but in theory in general wondering). So he answers questions. But he also brings up that theme of immortality being wrong, everything has it's time and everything dies, BUT being alive at the end of time is being indomitable.
So I reckon the last episode has something to do with being alive when they shouldn't ought to.
Other keywords include evolution, which the Master mentioned, albeit in the context of teletubbies. Episode title including evolution = Dalek babies. Who are part Time Lord.
If the Toclafane are Time Lord babies in bigger on the inside capsules...
well, there's a problem. Because they've been killing a whole ton of people. And usually season finale baddies get veryvery killed.
In theory the Master could use the Doctor's hand to make babies. You know, in the genetics lab way, not the natural way. Unless there's stuff about Time Lord biology we don't know yet. And actually given that 'still surprising' bit there might be.
DC comics made Lex/Clark babies in canon, so you never know.
But then the Doctor would have to stop six billion Timebabies, and... bad.
Whatever he does, he can't just wipe them out again in a season that's about healing and alternative solutions. I mean he didn't want to exterminate the Daleks because that's the Dalek thing. They made babies instead. And then the Daleks exterminated them.
The Doctor can't do that.
So either they're not Timebabies in any way (not transformed Time Lords transported out of the past or anything) and he can wipe them out and be all sad about it, or he isn't going to wipe them out.
It would be nice if they weren't and he didn't, both.
Since they fell out a rip in the sky he could probably send them back.
The thing where the Master is doing kissing and the Doctor doesn't is a bit dodgy to leave as is. Because then kissing is of evil. Which, you know, *facepalm*.
I'm sure there's interesting Issues to explore about why the Doctor apparently doesn't do that lately or possibly at all. There's stuff about people relying on him, although Jack could make his own way home so not so much as everyone else was he dependentand is therefore the best boyfriend ever. And there's stuff where almost everyone is considerable younger than him and younger than Romana even and she was straight out of uni and probably pretty young by Time Lord standards. And... everyone died. But if it's that last reason and he's all guilty or sad or something then obviously he needs to get over it.
If it's the other reasons then he's pretty much going to want to date the Master on account of the not-alone thing. And actually the guilt thing works for that too. So it's not just the Master fancies the Doctor or/and was joking about the date thing, the Doctor has serious Stuff going on.
Which we knew.
But again... how to resolve that?
Now they're probably not going to get married or anything, and there's the thing where the Master is evil
so if it was me I'd make the resolution be... well, actually if it was me I'd make him less evil and channel the evil to a purpose and possibly write Time War slash where they're both on the same side but assuming that TV having set him up as Moriarty is going to keep him evil... they should resolve it so he's not-alone with non-Time-Lords. So then all that unrequited love stuff gets resolved. And possibly there is threesomes.
... okay, the threesome part is unlikely, but he has to make it so he's not-alone because he has Martha and Jack and whoever. Otherwise it's like ignoring your friends because your family died. Sure, while grieving, that happens, but sooner or later you have to move on.
Martha is going to be cool and kick arse and newbie-Doctor and save the world. It is the rule. And also what has been set up all season. She's been looking after him, a lot. So now he's kind of out of it and she's got to look after the world.
In the Christmas thing when Rose tried to do coping without the Doctor it didn't work until he woke up, and then Harriet trying to cope without him he got mad about. And in the Satan Pit when he fell down and Rose thought he was dead she did a lot of coping but then she was going to hang around and die with him and that part sucked. And they can never make the Doctor irrelevant in his own 'verse. So it's a bit worrying, what could happen.
But given that there are six billion Toclafane and one Master to deal with I think they can divide the work pretty evenly. The Master for the Doctor, and the Toclafane for Martha.
Jack is unlikely to play a major role. Even when he was travelling with the Doctor often all he did was slow the Daleks down so the main characters could get stuff done. He's the guy who shoots stuff to prove that shooting stuff is futile/inadequate.
On the other hand if Jack *does* get some kind of major role - if he has some emotional investment and payoff here - that would be cool.
But look at how it's personal for the other two - family involved, and Gallifrey, tons of personal history drawn into it - but Jack's personal has been sent to the Himalayas. Which aren't exactly far away when you've got a flying base and a teleport, but we can be pretty sure there's no crossover happening. And threatening them off screen is less useful anyway. So he has less tie to the story, here. His only personal connection is the Doctor.
Which is pretty damn personal from where he's standing, but putting the Doctor in jeopardy is what the show does, so it took me a minute to even see.
From one way of looking at it we've got sets of couples involved - Doctor-Master, Doctor-Jack, comparable because immortalish and could be around for the long time. Master-Lucy, Doctor-Martha, faithful companions who fancy the older guy. There has to be compare/contrast going on there, and with any luck it'll play into how it all plays out. Choose Jack, choose Martha, choose the Doctor, make things work out because they care about each other.
This is why it's fun watching one episode a week, because you can really poke at it between episodes and make stuff up and be totally wrong and all that.
Watching them all in a row on DVD is less involving in that way.
But you don't go nuts with suspense.
Actually with many shows I choose to watch that way I'm not invested enough in them to remember to watch them every week in the first place. Lacking suspense to the point of forgetfulness.
The only ones I remember to watch at the moment are DW and TW.
Used to watch Buffy&Angel that way too. I miss them. Comics are just not the same. 4 months for 1 episode. Blah. And again with the suspense running out well before the next installment.
DW I always want to see what happens next.
Also apparently got nail varnish flake in my ear overnight. This is not a hazard that had previously occured to me.
Woke up speculating about Doctor Who
as you do
So Jack stayed on the aircraft carrier and can't run away now.
The Doctor is reallyreally old.
And the Toclafane would break his hearts.
...
Jack+Doctor=youthing?
I mean if it's actual Lazarus energy then logically the Doctor should turn into a big scorpion vampire thingy, which would be cool, but somewhat unusual for a major hero.
But Lazarus made it work by absorbing energy
and Jack has energy to spare.
Plus I reallreally want to see a Doctor/Jack kiss of life.
Or, you know, kiss. In general.
They've got to kiss! It's no fun if there's no kissing!
And that "You too" line was funny, and possibly feels true a couple hundred years after being abandoned, but they were all flirty in Boom Town so it don't quite fit.
Someone was wondering why Jack is there. Well to start with anyone who doesn't watch Torchwood (several million viewers) has been wondering if he even got off the Game Station (well, they've seen the advertising, but in theory in general wondering). So he answers questions. But he also brings up that theme of immortality being wrong, everything has it's time and everything dies, BUT being alive at the end of time is being indomitable.
So I reckon the last episode has something to do with being alive when they shouldn't ought to.
Other keywords include evolution, which the Master mentioned, albeit in the context of teletubbies. Episode title including evolution = Dalek babies. Who are part Time Lord.
If the Toclafane are Time Lord babies in bigger on the inside capsules...
well, there's a problem. Because they've been killing a whole ton of people. And usually season finale baddies get veryvery killed.
In theory the Master could use the Doctor's hand to make babies. You know, in the genetics lab way, not the natural way. Unless there's stuff about Time Lord biology we don't know yet. And actually given that 'still surprising' bit there might be.
DC comics made Lex/Clark babies in canon, so you never know.
But then the Doctor would have to stop six billion Timebabies, and... bad.
Whatever he does, he can't just wipe them out again in a season that's about healing and alternative solutions. I mean he didn't want to exterminate the Daleks because that's the Dalek thing. They made babies instead. And then the Daleks exterminated them.
The Doctor can't do that.
So either they're not Timebabies in any way (not transformed Time Lords transported out of the past or anything) and he can wipe them out and be all sad about it, or he isn't going to wipe them out.
It would be nice if they weren't and he didn't, both.
Since they fell out a rip in the sky he could probably send them back.
The thing where the Master is doing kissing and the Doctor doesn't is a bit dodgy to leave as is. Because then kissing is of evil. Which, you know, *facepalm*.
I'm sure there's interesting Issues to explore about why the Doctor apparently doesn't do that lately or possibly at all. There's stuff about people relying on him, although Jack could make his own way home so not so much as everyone else was he dependent
If it's the other reasons then he's pretty much going to want to date the Master on account of the not-alone thing. And actually the guilt thing works for that too. So it's not just the Master fancies the Doctor or/and was joking about the date thing, the Doctor has serious Stuff going on.
Which we knew.
But again... how to resolve that?
Now they're probably not going to get married or anything, and there's the thing where the Master is evil
so if it was me I'd make the resolution be... well, actually if it was me I'd make him less evil and channel the evil to a purpose and possibly write Time War slash where they're both on the same side but assuming that TV having set him up as Moriarty is going to keep him evil... they should resolve it so he's not-alone with non-Time-Lords. So then all that unrequited love stuff gets resolved. And possibly there is threesomes.
... okay, the threesome part is unlikely, but he has to make it so he's not-alone because he has Martha and Jack and whoever. Otherwise it's like ignoring your friends because your family died. Sure, while grieving, that happens, but sooner or later you have to move on.
Martha is going to be cool and kick arse and newbie-Doctor and save the world. It is the rule. And also what has been set up all season. She's been looking after him, a lot. So now he's kind of out of it and she's got to look after the world.
In the Christmas thing when Rose tried to do coping without the Doctor it didn't work until he woke up, and then Harriet trying to cope without him he got mad about. And in the Satan Pit when he fell down and Rose thought he was dead she did a lot of coping but then she was going to hang around and die with him and that part sucked. And they can never make the Doctor irrelevant in his own 'verse. So it's a bit worrying, what could happen.
But given that there are six billion Toclafane and one Master to deal with I think they can divide the work pretty evenly. The Master for the Doctor, and the Toclafane for Martha.
Jack is unlikely to play a major role. Even when he was travelling with the Doctor often all he did was slow the Daleks down so the main characters could get stuff done. He's the guy who shoots stuff to prove that shooting stuff is futile/inadequate.
On the other hand if Jack *does* get some kind of major role - if he has some emotional investment and payoff here - that would be cool.
But look at how it's personal for the other two - family involved, and Gallifrey, tons of personal history drawn into it - but Jack's personal has been sent to the Himalayas. Which aren't exactly far away when you've got a flying base and a teleport, but we can be pretty sure there's no crossover happening. And threatening them off screen is less useful anyway. So he has less tie to the story, here. His only personal connection is the Doctor.
Which is pretty damn personal from where he's standing, but putting the Doctor in jeopardy is what the show does, so it took me a minute to even see.
From one way of looking at it we've got sets of couples involved - Doctor-Master, Doctor-Jack, comparable because immortalish and could be around for the long time. Master-Lucy, Doctor-Martha, faithful companions who fancy the older guy. There has to be compare/contrast going on there, and with any luck it'll play into how it all plays out. Choose Jack, choose Martha, choose the Doctor, make things work out because they care about each other.
This is why it's fun watching one episode a week, because you can really poke at it between episodes and make stuff up and be totally wrong and all that.
Watching them all in a row on DVD is less involving in that way.
But you don't go nuts with suspense.
Actually with many shows I choose to watch that way I'm not invested enough in them to remember to watch them every week in the first place. Lacking suspense to the point of forgetfulness.
The only ones I remember to watch at the moment are DW and TW.
Used to watch Buffy&Angel that way too. I miss them. Comics are just not the same. 4 months for 1 episode. Blah. And again with the suspense running out well before the next installment.
DW I always want to see what happens next.
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Date: 2007-06-24 11:48 am (UTC)Might be fun. But if it's all sonic... what he needs is a loud, resonant noise, right?
Plus I reallreally want to see a Doctor/Jack kiss of life.
Or, you know, kiss. In general.
And then they can do it over and over because they like it. I wouldn't mind.
that "You too" line was funny, and possibly feels true a couple hundred years after being abandoned, but they were all flirty in Boom Town so it don't quite fit.
Yes, I agree, though I can rationalize it to make sense in any number of ways - its meaning may not be what it seems at first glance.
Episode title including evolution = Dalek babies. Who are part Time Lord.
I like that description.
if it's that last reason and he's all guilty or sad or something then obviously he needs to get over it.
I think that's it - guilt complex, basically. And he can/will get over it. And Russell T. Davies likes to tease us.
.... okay, the threesome part is unlikely
I'm not sure. It might be subtle or just implied, which is the sort of thing Davies likes to do. Jack does the threesome thing canonically.
but he has to make it so he's not-alone because he has Martha and Jack and whoever.
Yes. Otherwise we fall into the trap where UST is just self-pity and the Doctor is making his own problems - and hurting those who love him. Not so nice.
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Date: 2007-06-24 05:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-24 05:51 pm (UTC)