Noticed while transcribing 2-01, spoilers of course

[beccaelizabeth]

mostly I noticed things other people have noticed already, or stuff that ended up (in these things), but had a few other thoughts:

Come to the Dark Side speech - Join me Jack? Intimate request like that and he's using his use name?


Also all that help me /what's the point of having a team if you don't get a last minute save / can I join in stuff is John asking to be saved, and we don't know how seriously.


OWEN: Jack, where are you?
When John threatens him Owen calls for Jack - not Ianto, who he's been working with, or Gwen, his theoretical boss.

IANTO: Owen? Gwen?
When John threatens Ianto (in the lift at gunpoint) he calls for... the other people who might be in danger. Despite the fact Jack is actually in the building and could run to the rescue, Ianto doesn't call for him. Or possibly because of - can't be threatening to John if he calls far away people.


Bluff - on the car park roof the first time, the other guy is bluffing and John isn't. The second time it's mentioned John only wishes she were bluffing, and they head back to the car park roof. Nice bit of echo there.


Other than that somebody else somewhere pointed out it's great comparing Gwen/Jack and Ianto/Jack one on one interaction.
Gwen and Jack are in a corridor on home territory, yet Jack is all avoidy. He maybe even does his knight move thing, moving the conversation sideways from topics uncomfortable to him to topics uncomfortable to Gwen. But he's not quite up to speed and Gwen is a bit different and he has an awkward moment of ring fondling before he has to bring the topic up himself. Maybe? Either way, deliberate or not, questions were not answered very well. I'm not saying he has fake feelings, I think he feels lots for lots of people, but I am saying that conversation didn't get what Gwen wanted.
But then Ianto/Jack... they're in unfamiliar territory, which works great as a metaphor. There's office stuff between them, desks and such. And it's a great subtexty conversation that many people have analysed before. And where they're standing plays into the subtext too. Is very cool. But, it ends up with Ianto the boss telling Jack what to do, and Jack giving him a straight and personal answer.

Is one answer true and the other false? Probably not. But he gave Gwen the 'duty' answer and Ianto the personal one. Which is just plain interesting. Even taking into account the way he's already given the duty answer so maybe he just had worked his way up to personal.

I love how quick Ianto says 'yes' when Jack is just checking. He's saying it before Jack finishes the word. Playing it real cool there.

Comments

[louiex.livejournal.com]

I haven't watched it in a bit, but didn't Ianto call Jack before he called for Gwen? When John is walking up to Jack on the roof, he takes his mobile and says its Ianto trying to warn Jack about him. Then we get the shot of Ianto in the car calling for Gwen in his 'pick up pick up' franticness to hope that everyone is alright.

Right?

All very interesting things you bring up though! The one that does stick out the most in many reviews I've read is indeed to whom Jack's been laying the truth on with (Jack's get the past out of my life button on the scene in the office with Ianto as opposed to the way he handled it with Owen or Gwen when they wanted to know about John) which to me perhaps speaks to a change or upping of others into 'confidante' status rather than just Gwen like last season.

[beccaelizabeth]

No, that's later, when Ianto is at gunpoint he calls Owen & Gwen, not Jack.
I'll fix it so it's clearer when I'm talking on.

Yeah, with any luck there will be more sharing. At least with the audience...

[louiex.livejournal.com]

Ahhh you mean on the invisible ear piece in the lift~

Indeed, a good point there! Testing to see if John's just bluffing or not, I see what you mean :D

[beccaelizabeth]

yup, the invisible earpiece he has to put in once he gets to the car.

... it may be a moment like Gwen in 1-11, come to think...

[louiex.livejournal.com]

Yep :D Cept doesn't Owen do it too when John finds them in the warehouse? He also touches his invisible ear piece? Is it like the miniature one that Owen used in 1-11 while undercover in the realtor's offices?

[beccaelizabeth]

Ianto's ear makes a bleepy noise.
... now I have amusement thinking what noises Ianto body parts could make...

But yeah, could be the mini one.

[louiex.livejournal.com]

Hah, it did make the bleepy noise! Then leave it to him to notice Jack's wristband making noise when 'it never does that'.

Hee... is it airtime yet? *peers at time, doing timezone math*

[beccaelizabeth]

1 hour to family friendly repeat, 3 hrs to new episode

[louiex.livejournal.com]

Oh! But that means the Declassified will be in the middle! Awesome~ I was hoping to see that soon :D

[beccaelizabeth]

Declassified at 1950. Had to set my recorder manually to record it. Actually at the moment it's on the end of the Torchwood episode as all one thing. I guess if I fiddle around a lot I could get it seperated.

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

I didn't see anything odd about Ianto calling for Gwen & Owen while in the lift - to me, he was checking to see 1.) if John was lying and 2.) how bad their situation was if John was telling the truth. It never occurred to me that he could have called Jack first.

I did like the contrast between Jack's interaction with Gwen and with Ianto. With Ianto, he did *not* avoid answering AND he obeyed Ianto's "orders" (go to the roof) immediately. With Gwen there was answer-avoidance and a bit of power struggle over who's the boss. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on the parallels/differences between the interactions.

[naomi-jw.livejournal.com]

I agree, I think he checked on them because he was worried about them (John did say they were dying), rather than calling them to try to have them help/rescue him. He knew Jack probably wasn't in danger (can't die, plus it's Jack -- he can handle himself) and I didn't get the impression he was worried for his own safety, or he wouldn't have stopped he lift doors from closing and been so agressive with John. His only source of concern at that moment was his potentially dying coworkers (I was going to say friends, but then it would be friends ... and Owen).