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Alien hunting organisations
May. 6th, 2011 01:16 pmMy ARGOS CD rack has been successfully undelivered.
Apparently they only gave the undelivery guy the name of the building, not my flat. Given that there's at least 60 flats that's less than helpful.
I am making a chart of alien hunting organisations from different TV shows. My hypothesis is that, since they're all super extra secret, they could all exist at once and not know it. This could obviously lead to mass xovers and subsequent hilarity. Though it would require explaining how they didn't notice the global invasions the other organisations vanquished.
For Doctor Who I have got:
Torchwood, founded 1879 by Queen Victoria, doesn't think it answers to elected government or indeed that elected Prime Ministers should know it exists. Branches TW 1, 2, 3 and 4, plus at some point Torchwood India and hence logically other Torchwoods in other former colonies. Captain Jack Harkness, who has been there more than a century and gets sent on international missions on his own, probably counts as his own branch, and indeed set up as one when everyone else at 3 died. Jack believes his chain of command is, well, not very chain like. He might, possibly, answer to the Queen. He doesn't answer to much of anyone else.
The Forge, in Big Finish Audios, been around since at least 1901. Catchphrase 'For King and Country' even in eras without a noticeable King. Also called
Department C-4
and had something to do with the founding of ICIS, which tried to take over UNIT
The British Rocket Group, run by a bloke called Bernard, may or may not exist in the DW 'verse. If it doesn't it's a cultural reference / joke by characters in the DW 'verse. If it does it contributed personnel to
The Intrusion Countermeasures Group, who worked with the 7th Doctor about a Dalek incursion in 1963. They were more military, but British.
LONGBOW, the League of Nations Bizarre Occurances Watch, preceded
UNIT, the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. Somewhere between the late 80s and early 200s it was renamed
Unified Intelligence Taskforce, stopped wearing the UN blues, and went a bit creepy with the prison Tosh was in and Homeworld Security and a nasty attitude. Still an international organisation.
Department C-19 is either an administrative name for the British bits of UNIT or a British government department that oversees UNIT. They ran the Glasshouse. They nick alien tech and try and make it do cool things. The usual. They have a closer relationship to elected government than Torchwood and are more British than UNIT as a whole. I haven't seen the relevant episodes to know much else.
A bloke called Frobisher gets reports from UNIT and takes them to the Prime Minister. Torchwood also talk to him. When he wants people killed he has a set of pet black uniforms to do it. They were trying to infiltrate Torchwood. Organisation names either unknown or I've forgotten.
The Crown, British Military, civil service answering to the prime minister, and United Nations groups all seem to exist in parallel, and don't get on. Some of them think they can give orders to the others. The others do not agree. So there's a lot of grinding between the various British alien hunters even under ideal circumstances.
... nothing involving The Forge is ideal circumstances.
... nothing involving Torchwood is ideal circumstances either.
... it is possible the jurisdictional contests are more hazardous to health than the alien invasions, some years.
Those are all British or operating in Britain.
UNIT has a base in New York and people with American accents around (probably), but UNIT and America send separate military representatives to a crisis or two, and America tries to take over first contact from UNIT.
Again, jurisdictional grinding.
Could the flip from United Nations to Unified might be because the USA pulled out and disagreed with something about the way the UN were organising things? Or didn't want to share their toys.
... partly I want to say this so the SGC is what the US do with the money and expertise they're no longer contributing to UNIT. Xover time...
But we know the USA have their own alien related activity:
Area 51. United State military project. Had a couple of encounters with the Doctor. The President knows about them and shows up sometimes. They have a memory wipe gas in the 1950s but it completely erases all memory, not just rewinds like retcon.
Some really rich individuals accumulate alien tech so they can reverse engineer bits, or just because they're obsessed with it. But that's beyond the scope of this.
Did I miss anyone in the Doctor Who 'verse?
Do we really only know about Britain* and UNIT and Area 51? And yet we still have so many to play with!
(*has DW gone to Northern Ireland? I can think of Scotland and Wales and England stories.)
We can theorise some about alien tech in other countries: Britain brought all the things Torchwood India salvaged back to Britain before giving India back to itself. If that was their usual way of doing things, Britain has the historical alien relics of really quite a lot of the world. A lot of places would only have what arrived since Britain stopped nicking their stuff.
Torchwood was set up by and answers to the Queen. Lots of places have our same Queen.
(A Commonwealth Realm is a country which has The Queen as its Monarch. There are 15 Commonwealth Realms in addition to the UK: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, Papua New Guinea, St Christopher and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Tuvalu, Barbados, Grenada, Solomon Islands, St Lucia and The Bahamas.)
Do they have our same Torchwood?
Britain weren't the only ones with an empire. Other colonial powers might have concentrated alien tech the same way. Superpowers would concentrate resources too.
Assuming alien tech is really rare, it takes that kind of concentrating to get anything much useful together.
But it might be really common in the DW 'verse. It certainly seems to be around some parts of London or the Home Counties. In which case just about anywhere might have successful alien tech salvage operations.
If DW is mostly about British organisations that makes it easier to start playing with xovers. There's a lot of world not colored in yet.
Apparently they only gave the undelivery guy the name of the building, not my flat. Given that there's at least 60 flats that's less than helpful.
I am making a chart of alien hunting organisations from different TV shows. My hypothesis is that, since they're all super extra secret, they could all exist at once and not know it. This could obviously lead to mass xovers and subsequent hilarity. Though it would require explaining how they didn't notice the global invasions the other organisations vanquished.
For Doctor Who I have got:
Torchwood, founded 1879 by Queen Victoria, doesn't think it answers to elected government or indeed that elected Prime Ministers should know it exists. Branches TW 1, 2, 3 and 4, plus at some point Torchwood India and hence logically other Torchwoods in other former colonies. Captain Jack Harkness, who has been there more than a century and gets sent on international missions on his own, probably counts as his own branch, and indeed set up as one when everyone else at 3 died. Jack believes his chain of command is, well, not very chain like. He might, possibly, answer to the Queen. He doesn't answer to much of anyone else.
The Forge, in Big Finish Audios, been around since at least 1901. Catchphrase 'For King and Country' even in eras without a noticeable King. Also called
Department C-4
and had something to do with the founding of ICIS, which tried to take over UNIT
The British Rocket Group, run by a bloke called Bernard, may or may not exist in the DW 'verse. If it doesn't it's a cultural reference / joke by characters in the DW 'verse. If it does it contributed personnel to
The Intrusion Countermeasures Group, who worked with the 7th Doctor about a Dalek incursion in 1963. They were more military, but British.
LONGBOW, the League of Nations Bizarre Occurances Watch, preceded
UNIT, the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. Somewhere between the late 80s and early 200s it was renamed
Unified Intelligence Taskforce, stopped wearing the UN blues, and went a bit creepy with the prison Tosh was in and Homeworld Security and a nasty attitude. Still an international organisation.
Department C-19 is either an administrative name for the British bits of UNIT or a British government department that oversees UNIT. They ran the Glasshouse. They nick alien tech and try and make it do cool things. The usual. They have a closer relationship to elected government than Torchwood and are more British than UNIT as a whole. I haven't seen the relevant episodes to know much else.
A bloke called Frobisher gets reports from UNIT and takes them to the Prime Minister. Torchwood also talk to him. When he wants people killed he has a set of pet black uniforms to do it. They were trying to infiltrate Torchwood. Organisation names either unknown or I've forgotten.
The Crown, British Military, civil service answering to the prime minister, and United Nations groups all seem to exist in parallel, and don't get on. Some of them think they can give orders to the others. The others do not agree. So there's a lot of grinding between the various British alien hunters even under ideal circumstances.
... nothing involving The Forge is ideal circumstances.
... nothing involving Torchwood is ideal circumstances either.
... it is possible the jurisdictional contests are more hazardous to health than the alien invasions, some years.
Those are all British or operating in Britain.
UNIT has a base in New York and people with American accents around (probably), but UNIT and America send separate military representatives to a crisis or two, and America tries to take over first contact from UNIT.
Again, jurisdictional grinding.
Could the flip from United Nations to Unified might be because the USA pulled out and disagreed with something about the way the UN were organising things? Or didn't want to share their toys.
... partly I want to say this so the SGC is what the US do with the money and expertise they're no longer contributing to UNIT. Xover time...
But we know the USA have their own alien related activity:
Area 51. United State military project. Had a couple of encounters with the Doctor. The President knows about them and shows up sometimes. They have a memory wipe gas in the 1950s but it completely erases all memory, not just rewinds like retcon.
Some really rich individuals accumulate alien tech so they can reverse engineer bits, or just because they're obsessed with it. But that's beyond the scope of this.
Did I miss anyone in the Doctor Who 'verse?
Do we really only know about Britain* and UNIT and Area 51? And yet we still have so many to play with!
(*has DW gone to Northern Ireland? I can think of Scotland and Wales and England stories.)
We can theorise some about alien tech in other countries: Britain brought all the things Torchwood India salvaged back to Britain before giving India back to itself. If that was their usual way of doing things, Britain has the historical alien relics of really quite a lot of the world. A lot of places would only have what arrived since Britain stopped nicking their stuff.
Torchwood was set up by and answers to the Queen. Lots of places have our same Queen.
(A Commonwealth Realm is a country which has The Queen as its Monarch. There are 15 Commonwealth Realms in addition to the UK: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, Papua New Guinea, St Christopher and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Tuvalu, Barbados, Grenada, Solomon Islands, St Lucia and The Bahamas.)
Do they have our same Torchwood?
Britain weren't the only ones with an empire. Other colonial powers might have concentrated alien tech the same way. Superpowers would concentrate resources too.
Assuming alien tech is really rare, it takes that kind of concentrating to get anything much useful together.
But it might be really common in the DW 'verse. It certainly seems to be around some parts of London or the Home Counties. In which case just about anywhere might have successful alien tech salvage operations.
If DW is mostly about British organisations that makes it easier to start playing with xovers. There's a lot of world not colored in yet.