Counting Doctor Who
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beccaelizabethHave decided to go through new series Doctor Who counting it like I did Torchwood.
Epic project is epic.
completely blank yet daunting table below the cut. Well, blank except for episode names and count headings.
ETA: And the numbers on the first and second season, though not the death counts.
I copied over the Bechdel results from![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lefaym from lefaym.livejournal.com/18414.html
I can only count what I can see. Gender and if someone is a person of color is going to be my best guess only.
Aliens complicate the count, especially shapeshifters. They may not have gender, and if they have a color it's not usually one of those usual to humans. So aliens that do not have a human body do not get counted as people of color, and may not get counted by gender.
That makes the count for some episodes really skinny. Lots of blue people and stretched skins.
Computer voices also probably aren't a character with gender or skin color. Probably. I decided not to count them anyway, even Anne Droid and other very gendered ones. They're not a human woman, and I want to count human women. So I left computers out of the count, probably consistently.
Aliens that do have a human form are counted as the human they wear. Like, they might be a green thingy on the inside, but they're looking like a white woman while they're doing those things, so, that gets counted.
Characters shown at different ages complicate things. I decided to count them as one person. So, the child and adult versions of Rose would be one person even if they all spoke. This makes the Doctor always count as only one person even if he's having an argument with himself, which isn't terribly logical but there you go, I had to decide something. The Doctor pre and post regeneration is still only one white male towards the total count. The Doctor's clones, Jenny and Handy, are new people, and count in their own right. Because I say so.
Ricky and Mickey on the other hand are clearly twins, different people, so they count as two black men who talk to each other. About something other than a white person, even. And manage to color Bechdel pass all on their own.
The Bechdel test is:
1. Two named women
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something other than a man.
Many people interpret 3 as being about romantic or sexual interest, so if they're only talking about boyfriends it's a fail, and some argue if they're talking about a man in a non sexual context, like if he's a male murder victim or something, then it should pass.
But the way I'm interested in is, do women only exist in relation to men? Failing on any of the 3 means the story is about men, and the women in the story, if any, are there to talk about men. If women only ever talk to men, or only ever talk about men, they only exist when observing or observed by men.
I'd like to count if we just exist.
M Bechdel is abbreviated heading for the male to male version of the test, do two named men talk to each other about something other than a woman.
Color Bechdel is do two named people of color talk to each other about something other than a white person.
The Death Count is to check for dead bro syndrome basically. Or if women are the victims a lot. Patterns may or may not emerge.
Okay, so, that might look a teensy obsessive, but really, it just means watching the whole thing over again. It's not like I don't do that at regular intervals anyway.
... if anyone else wants to fill in a line, feel free to comment.
Epic project is epic.
completely blank yet daunting table below the cut. Well, blank except for episode names and count headings.
ETA: And the numbers on the first and second season, though not the death counts.
I copied over the Bechdel results from
lefaym from lefaym.livejournal.com/18414.html| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 1-01 Rose | 7 | 3 | 43% | Pass | 1 | 14% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-02 The End of the World | 10? | 4? | 40%? | Pass | 0 (all aliens) | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-03 The Unquiet Dead | 10? | 3 | 30% | Pass | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-04 Aliens of London | 18 | 7 | 39% | 5 | 28% | ||||
| 1-05 World War Three | 13 | 5 | 38% | 2 | 15% | Fail 2 | |||
| 1-06 Dalek | 10 | 3 | 30% | Fail | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-07 The Long Game | 9 | 5 | 56% | Pass | 1 | 11% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-08 Father's Day | 11 | 5 | 45% | Fail | 1 | 9% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-09 The Empty Child | 14 | 4 | 29% | Pass | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-10 The Doctor Dances | 14 | 4 | 29% | Pass | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-11 Boom Town | 8 | 3 | 38% | Fail | 1 | 13% | Fail 1 | ||
| 1-12 Bad Wolf | 16 | 8 | 50% | Fail | 3 | 19% | Fail 2 | ||
| 1-13 The Parting of the Ways | 9 | 4 | 44% | Fail | 3 | 33% | Fail 2 | ||
| Season 1 | 39% | 11% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 2-00 The Christmas Invasion | 16 + sycorax | 8 | 50% | Fail | ? | ||||
| 2-01 New Earth | 13, 7 human | 7, 3 human | 54 or 42 | Pass | 1 human | 7 or 14 | |||
| 2-02 Tooth and Claw | 10 | 4 | 40% | Pass | 0 | 0% | |||
| 2-03 School Reunion | 13 | 5 | 38% | Pass | ? | ||||
| 2-04 The Girl in the Fireplace | 7 | 3 | 43% | Fail | 2 | 29% | |||
| 2-05 Rise of the Cybermen | 16 | 4 | 25% | 5 | 31% | ||||
| 2-06 The Age of Steel | 10 | 3 | 30% | 2 | 20% | ||||
| 2-07 The Idiot's Lantern | 13 | 6 | 46% | Fail | ? | ||||
| 2-08 The Impossible Planet | 8 | 3 | 38% | 2 | 25% | ||||
| 2-09 The Satan Pit | 7 | 2 | 29% | 2 | 29% | ||||
| 2-10 Love & Monsters | 10 | 6 | 60% | Fail | 1 | 10% | |||
| 2-11 Fear Her | 11 | 5 | 45% | Pass | ? | ||||
| 2-12 Army of Ghosts | 21 | 10 | 48% | Fail | 7 | 33% | |||
| 2-13 Doomsday | 8 | 3 | 38% | Fail | 2 | 25% | |||
| Season 2 | 41% | ??% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 3-00 The Runaway Bride | Fail | ||||||||
| 3-01 Smith and Jones | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-02 The Shakespeare Code | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-03 Gridlock | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-04 Daleks in Manhattan | |||||||||
| 3-05 Evolution of the Daleks | |||||||||
| 3-06 The Lazarus Experiment | Fail | ||||||||
| 3-07 42 | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-08 Human Nature | |||||||||
| 3-09 The Family of Blood | |||||||||
| 3-10 Blink | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-11 Utopia | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-12 The Sound of Drums | Pass | ||||||||
| 3-13 Last of the Time Lords | Pass | ||||||||
| Season 3 | ??% | ??% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 4-00 Voyage of the Damned | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-01 Partners in Crime | Pass | ||||||||
| 4-02 The Fires of Pompeii | Pass | ||||||||
| 4-03 Planet of the Ood | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-04 The Sontaran Stratagem | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-05 The Poison Sky | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-06 The Doctor's Daughter | Pass | ||||||||
| 4-07 The Unicorn and the Wasp | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-08 Silence in the Library | |||||||||
| 4-09 Forest of the Dead | |||||||||
| 4-10 Midnight | Fail | ||||||||
| 4-11 Turn Left | Pass | ||||||||
| 4-12 The Stolen Earth | |||||||||
| 4-13 Journey's End | |||||||||
| Season 4 | ??% | ??% | |||||||
| (I finished studying at UEA by now) | |||||||||
| S-1 The Next Doctor | |||||||||
| S-2 Planet of the Dead | |||||||||
| S-3 The Waters of Mars | |||||||||
| S-4 The End of Time part 1 | |||||||||
| S-5 The End of Time part 2 | |||||||||
| Specials | ??% | ??% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 5-01 The Eleventh Hour | 9+4 | 3+3 | 33% or 46% | 1 | 11% or 7% | Fail 1 | |||
| 5-02 The Beast Below | 10 | 4 | 40% | Pass | 2 | 20% | |||
| 5-03 Victory of the Daleks | 10 | 3 | 30% | Fail | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 5-04 The Time of Angels | 10 | 2 | 20% | Pass | 2 | 20% | Pass | 2 Bm 1Wm | |
| 5-05 Flesh and Stone | 7 | 2 | 29% | 1 | 14% | Fail 1 | 1 Bm 3 Wm | ||
| 5-06 The Vampires of Venice | 11+5 | 4+5 | 36% or 56% | Pass | 2 | 22% or 13% | Fail 2g | 1 Bm 1Wm 1Bf 6Wf | |
| 5-07 Amy's Choice | 8 | 3 | 38% | Fail | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | ||
| 5-08 The Hungry Earth | 8 | 3 | 38% | 1 | 13% | Fail 1 | |||
| 5-09 Cold Blood | 8 | 3 | 38% | 1 | 13% | Fail 1 | |||
| 5-10 Vincent and the Doctor | 7 | 3 | 43% | 0 | 0% | Fail 1 | |||
| 5-11 The Lodger | 12 | 5 | 42% | 2 | 17% | Fail 2 | 1Wm 1Wf 1Bf | ||
| 5-12 The Pandorica Opens | 13 | 4 | 31% | 2 | 15% | Fail 2 | |||
| 5-13 The Big Bang | 8 | 5 | 63% | 1 | 13% | ||||
| Season 5 | 37% or 39% | 12% or 11% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 6-00 A Christmas Carol | |||||||||
| 6-01 The Impossible Astronaut | |||||||||
| 6-02 Day of the Moon | |||||||||
| 6-03 The Curse of the Black Spot | |||||||||
| 6-04 The Doctor's Wife | |||||||||
| 6-05 The Rebel Flesh | |||||||||
| 6-06 The Almost People | |||||||||
| 6-07 A Good Man Goes to War | |||||||||
| 6-08 Let's Kill Hitler | |||||||||
| 6-09 Night Terrors | |||||||||
| 6-10 The Girl who Waited | |||||||||
| 6-11 The God Complex | |||||||||
| 6-12 Closing Time | |||||||||
| 6-13 The Wedding of River Song | |||||||||
| Season 6 | ??% | ??% | |||||||
| Episode Title | No. of Speaking Characters | No. of Women | % of Women | Bechdel Test? | M Bechdel? | No. of People of Color | % of People of Color | Color Bechdel | Death Count |
| 7-00 The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe | |||||||||
| 7-01 Asylum of the Daleks | |||||||||
| 7-02 Dinosaurs on a Spaceship | |||||||||
| 7-03 A Town called Mercy | |||||||||
| 7-04 The Power of Three | |||||||||
| 7-05 The Angels take Manhattan | |||||||||
| 7-06 The Snowmen | |||||||||
I can only count what I can see. Gender and if someone is a person of color is going to be my best guess only.
Aliens complicate the count, especially shapeshifters. They may not have gender, and if they have a color it's not usually one of those usual to humans. So aliens that do not have a human body do not get counted as people of color, and may not get counted by gender.
That makes the count for some episodes really skinny. Lots of blue people and stretched skins.
Computer voices also probably aren't a character with gender or skin color. Probably. I decided not to count them anyway, even Anne Droid and other very gendered ones. They're not a human woman, and I want to count human women. So I left computers out of the count, probably consistently.
Aliens that do have a human form are counted as the human they wear. Like, they might be a green thingy on the inside, but they're looking like a white woman while they're doing those things, so, that gets counted.
Characters shown at different ages complicate things. I decided to count them as one person. So, the child and adult versions of Rose would be one person even if they all spoke. This makes the Doctor always count as only one person even if he's having an argument with himself, which isn't terribly logical but there you go, I had to decide something. The Doctor pre and post regeneration is still only one white male towards the total count. The Doctor's clones, Jenny and Handy, are new people, and count in their own right. Because I say so.
Ricky and Mickey on the other hand are clearly twins, different people, so they count as two black men who talk to each other. About something other than a white person, even. And manage to color Bechdel pass all on their own.
The Bechdel test is:
1. Two named women
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something other than a man.
Many people interpret 3 as being about romantic or sexual interest, so if they're only talking about boyfriends it's a fail, and some argue if they're talking about a man in a non sexual context, like if he's a male murder victim or something, then it should pass.
But the way I'm interested in is, do women only exist in relation to men? Failing on any of the 3 means the story is about men, and the women in the story, if any, are there to talk about men. If women only ever talk to men, or only ever talk about men, they only exist when observing or observed by men.
I'd like to count if we just exist.
M Bechdel is abbreviated heading for the male to male version of the test, do two named men talk to each other about something other than a woman.
Color Bechdel is do two named people of color talk to each other about something other than a white person.
The Death Count is to check for dead bro syndrome basically. Or if women are the victims a lot. Patterns may or may not emerge.
Okay, so, that might look a teensy obsessive, but really, it just means watching the whole thing over again. It's not like I don't do that at regular intervals anyway.
... if anyone else wants to fill in a line, feel free to comment.
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Date: 2012-01-31 04:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-04 05:29 pm (UTC)and
http://guide.doctorwhonews.net/story.php?code=170&detail=cast
are also useful. lots of pictures.
still not all the data I need though.
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Date: 2012-03-07 12:52 am (UTC)I *have not* checked it myself, and I usually write down what level of fail, where they write different levels of pass.
Also they write the two parters as one pass or fail between them, and I split them out, so I have gaps.
But that's the first four seasons roughly covered.
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Date: 2012-03-07 01:34 am (UTC)The more alien or robot or whatever else characters there are, the less accurate my count is! Woe.
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Date: 2012-04-05 08:13 am (UTC)death counts for season 5
Season 5 notes
Date: 2013-01-26 05:19 pm (UTC)is a pain to count because Prisoner Zero has at least 4 human faces. One of them only barks! 3 are the mother with her daughters, and the mother's voice comes out of daughter mouths sometimes. They probably aren't all speaking characters, just the one white woman... but it's weirdly complicated.
So the count is in the form 9+4 because 9 characters are people who speak and 4 are... complex.
BUT a lot of the other episodes are coming out at 10 exactly. And if Prisoner Zero is only the one, the voice lady, then so is 11th Hour 10 exactly. With 4 women and 1 person of colour.
40% women 10% PoC.
As previously mentioned young Amy and old Amy count as one white woman between them.
I didn't count the voice of the Atraxi. Becaues they're a great big eyeball. Or, alternately, the barking man doesn't count and the eyeball voice is an extra man.
... why do I pick the really tricky tasks? I couldn't count a sitcom??
The Beast Below:
If I'm not counting computer or tannoy voices I don't count the voice
of the Smilers in the boxes.
It feels odd counting Churchill since he's really in the next story. But he does count.
Victory of the Daleks: Danny Boy counts
Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone: Bob counts, but Angel Bob is just another alien voice and doesn't add to the count. ... I have to make decisions about the weirdest things.
Vampires of Venice: Technically there are a lot of women in this. But the vampire girls talk in unison only, and have no names. I'm tempted to only count them as one character.
I'll do the x+y form again instead.
Hungry Earth etc: I can't count Silurians as people of color, but gender seems important.
... I decided to just not count aliens that look all reptilian.
... I may regret that.
8+2 Silurians in The Hungry Earth
a lot more Silurians later, 8+4 silurian speaking roles. Silurian genders always half and half.
Vincent and the Doctor:
There's two schoolchildren I can't remember seeing and a bunch of other voices in crowds. Can't count what I didn't look at, so they aren't included in my numbers.
A rewatch might get better numbers by noticing them this time.
Also, I'm not counting the music, the singer voice. Even though the characters can hear it.
... that may well be inconsistent.
In The Lodger the Autopilot is 2 white males and 1 white female child.
I count them all because they're computers but they've got faces and bodies and all.
there's also a crowd chanting 'Doctor' at the football but I can't count those seperate.
Pandorica: Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, and whatever else, none of them are in the count because I'm counting humans.
Or human looking time lords.
Or time lord looking humans.
Do I count blue male Dorium?
... I've forgotten what I did other times for blue people.
No let's just leave him out like the other aliens. *sigh*
Big Bang 2: Again, no aliens, and Amy+Amelia count as one person.
... yes I know how weird that is, but otherwise Amy and Amy count as two people in the Leadworth dream because different ages. Same with any flashbacks. It just don't work to count different ages as different characters.
Even if they pat each other on the head.
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Date: 2014-09-09 11:35 am (UTC)someone else did content math
http://such-heights.dreamwidth.org/448424.html
episodes featuring a female companion's life outside the Doctor
in nu who
Clara has the most varied life