Arrow eps 16 & 17
Sep. 30th, 2013 09:38 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethCasting is weird. There's so many people now I know from going to conventions, stuff filmed in certain locations is just one long 'hey it's that guy!' And then I'm distracted from whatever the story is meant to be, and people are significant in weird lack of proportion to the plot. Add to that the people I associate strongly with a particular role and/or have followed around the country repeatedly trying to get an autograph and it's getting hard to watch the fictions without bouncing through all kinds of irrelevant associations.
In ep 16 I had to stop and LOL though. Captain Jack and River Song had kids, and the kids are dating. I... what? *facepalm* LOLs. So there was plot stuff happening, but, I may need a second or third go at it to only see the characters.
In 'what have they done to them?' news, I'm still not loving some of the choices they've hung on particular character names, but now not only because of the DC associations. The Huntress Returns... as the oft named in so many words 'psycho ex girlfriend'? She's a cop killer now? What? I mean, the first episode was within tolerance of what I know of Helena's story, her father was a very bad man so very bad things happened to her so she learned how to make them happen right back. But there is a line, and I'm reasonable sure that if she had crossed it in such a fashion Batman would never have worked with her. So, this is too far.
But I can see why they did it. There's a story in a lot of PI stories, where on the one hand there's cops and on the other criminals and the PI stands on a self determined line between. I mostly read urban fantasy so that tends to be more cops vs vampires, but the principle is the same. And in paranormal romance the line is drawn and then two extremely hot persons representing the opposing sides lure Our Heroine into extremes to one side or the other. So, Oliver, dating a cop and now having Helena come back. But Helena is totally caricatured to draw 'too far'. And the longer this series goes on, the more they're letting Oliver's self defined line stand, which is what I was worried about in the first place. He gets to show how right he is by the way everyone else fails. It's bloody annoying.
What also pissed me off is then Tommy went from 'it's not that you lied to me, it's that you're a killer, a murderer' to 'okay, my feelings were hurt, you lied!' One is a principled ethical stand from a character we've come to expect to be really easygoing. The other is framing it as hurt feelings because then, given that he turned out to be graphically right about protecting his identity being necessary to protect his friends, they can make that whole thing resolve into 'oops, sorry, forgot I shouldn't disagree with Our Hero'.
:-ppppppppppppppppppppppppp
The people the Hood has been hunting? Are people Oliver and Tommy know, or at least their parents do. This shouldn't be distant and irrelevant. And Moira was threatened by the Hood. Tommy should know Oliver attacked his own mother. And given that very sweet speech about how it was Oliver's family that acted like actual parents for Tommy, that should be a rather big deal. And okay, the Hood saved Malcolm's life, Tommy also knows that, but they haven't had that talk about why yet, and already Tommy is backing down. Weak. Too tidy.
Or, weak, as in, he folds at this evidence of violence, and his opinion is all weather vane.
Blergh.
I'm also annoyed at that mopey bit at the end where he's all woe is me I can't have a nice life with caring about people because I must liiiieeeeee. Which is so the wrong conclusion. People were in danger because they didn't know his secret and he didn't share very pertinent information. He takes this as evidence he should lie more. He is such an idiot.
I felt better about the show when I was sure it agreed with me about the ways he's an idiot.
Most of that sounds like I'm angry. I'm a bit angry about what they did to Helena, I'm kind of fed up of what they're doing with stripping out everything distinctive about Roy, especially given that he's the same age as 'Speedy' Thea and now there's kissing, and I'm disappointed at this bit where Oliver gets to be right only when he does the violence and not when he avoids it.
Could he not stop and care about the minions at least once? He's crossing off names, but he's going through bodyguards to do it. Does that not matter?
I'm back to being kind of cranky about this. But cranky about it being exactly what it said on the tin.
Also, I've been in a bad mood all day, so it's possible I'm just cranky full stop.
... I keep talking myself out of having an opinion. Like I start out really cranky about something and then rant about it until I think I've gone ridiculous and then I just shrug and figure it's a TV show and feel stupid for caring. Boo.
In ep 16 I had to stop and LOL though. Captain Jack and River Song had kids, and the kids are dating. I... what? *facepalm* LOLs. So there was plot stuff happening, but, I may need a second or third go at it to only see the characters.
In 'what have they done to them?' news, I'm still not loving some of the choices they've hung on particular character names, but now not only because of the DC associations. The Huntress Returns... as the oft named in so many words 'psycho ex girlfriend'? She's a cop killer now? What? I mean, the first episode was within tolerance of what I know of Helena's story, her father was a very bad man so very bad things happened to her so she learned how to make them happen right back. But there is a line, and I'm reasonable sure that if she had crossed it in such a fashion Batman would never have worked with her. So, this is too far.
But I can see why they did it. There's a story in a lot of PI stories, where on the one hand there's cops and on the other criminals and the PI stands on a self determined line between. I mostly read urban fantasy so that tends to be more cops vs vampires, but the principle is the same. And in paranormal romance the line is drawn and then two extremely hot persons representing the opposing sides lure Our Heroine into extremes to one side or the other. So, Oliver, dating a cop and now having Helena come back. But Helena is totally caricatured to draw 'too far'. And the longer this series goes on, the more they're letting Oliver's self defined line stand, which is what I was worried about in the first place. He gets to show how right he is by the way everyone else fails. It's bloody annoying.
What also pissed me off is then Tommy went from 'it's not that you lied to me, it's that you're a killer, a murderer' to 'okay, my feelings were hurt, you lied!' One is a principled ethical stand from a character we've come to expect to be really easygoing. The other is framing it as hurt feelings because then, given that he turned out to be graphically right about protecting his identity being necessary to protect his friends, they can make that whole thing resolve into 'oops, sorry, forgot I shouldn't disagree with Our Hero'.
:-ppppppppppppppppppppppppp
The people the Hood has been hunting? Are people Oliver and Tommy know, or at least their parents do. This shouldn't be distant and irrelevant. And Moira was threatened by the Hood. Tommy should know Oliver attacked his own mother. And given that very sweet speech about how it was Oliver's family that acted like actual parents for Tommy, that should be a rather big deal. And okay, the Hood saved Malcolm's life, Tommy also knows that, but they haven't had that talk about why yet, and already Tommy is backing down. Weak. Too tidy.
Or, weak, as in, he folds at this evidence of violence, and his opinion is all weather vane.
Blergh.
I'm also annoyed at that mopey bit at the end where he's all woe is me I can't have a nice life with caring about people because I must liiiieeeeee. Which is so the wrong conclusion. People were in danger because they didn't know his secret and he didn't share very pertinent information. He takes this as evidence he should lie more. He is such an idiot.
I felt better about the show when I was sure it agreed with me about the ways he's an idiot.
Most of that sounds like I'm angry. I'm a bit angry about what they did to Helena, I'm kind of fed up of what they're doing with stripping out everything distinctive about Roy, especially given that he's the same age as 'Speedy' Thea and now there's kissing, and I'm disappointed at this bit where Oliver gets to be right only when he does the violence and not when he avoids it.
Could he not stop and care about the minions at least once? He's crossing off names, but he's going through bodyguards to do it. Does that not matter?
I'm back to being kind of cranky about this. But cranky about it being exactly what it said on the tin.
Also, I've been in a bad mood all day, so it's possible I'm just cranky full stop.
... I keep talking myself out of having an opinion. Like I start out really cranky about something and then rant about it until I think I've gone ridiculous and then I just shrug and figure it's a TV show and feel stupid for caring. Boo.