Avengers Norwich
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beccaelizabethAt the end of Age of Ultron: I know that bit of the movie filmed at the UEA, but I assert that it makes things better if those scenes are actually set in Norwich, Norfolk, England. Reasons under the cut.
I just read a fanboy explain of the movie in terms of comics canon. Pretty sure that they'll only fool themselves if they filter everything that way. The movie keeps using comics to twist expectations and then do its own thing.
But I got annoyed at something it said that I don't think is canon, only I can't actually remember for sure. It reckoned the end of the movie was set in upstate New York. And I was very sulk at this assertion, because no, nope, that bit is at the University of East Anglia.
The thing is if the Avengers stay in New York, if SHIELD stays in New York, if every super hero stays in New York, then it's just more Americans telling the world how to live. SHIELD has bases all over the world, and if they're US bases then that's a very different colonial project than if they are in fact an international organisation. Same with the Avengers. Sure, we're never getting past the fact it's Captain America leading them, but he spent the whole movie acknowledging that other people defending their own countries is entirely legit, and then at the end he recruited someone we've just seen is very much not American. And there's Natasha, also not American. And Thor isn't even from Earth, so even if he comes back, still not American.
Jane was working in England, Thor 2 happened partly in England, SHIELD have a base somewhere in England that was dealing with the cleanup, and I thoroughly resent the assumption that that means Americans were clearning up British messes. There are US Air Force bases in England so there's certainly precedent, but there's no need for it. SHIELD has the World Security Council overseeing them, including a Brit. Coulson's team has two Brits. SHIELD recruits internationally, has bases internationally, remains an international organisation.
So then the Avengers are setting up a training base somewhere? Okay. Maybe in the comics it's always New York, but it makes much more sense as a statement of their new position in the world, international and what SHIELD should be, if they set up somewhere else.
So.
Clearly.
The Avengers move to my town to set up their Academy, and as well as studying at the UEA and taking advantage of world class science facilities and a really awesome library, they can study up to be better Avengers, maybe taking courses in politics and so forth as well as all the running around.
Also, if you can get over the rudeness of lifting from real people lives to feed fictional characters, you can get story out of slight translation from the real world Sainsbury Centre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainsbury_Centre_for_Visual_Arts
In this universe it's a building where rich people donated their art collection, though the Sainsburys are in supermarkets, not superheroism.
I don't know why Starks would be in Norwich, but, you know, parallels. ... actually it's easier to put Howard Stark in England, he'd been here during the war, he could keep up connections.
Also it's giving me / reviving vaguely read ideas about Howard meeting Maria over here.
The timing [of construction] would make it be after Tony is born, building big art place and donating all arts for it.
But then imagine Tony inheriting it, having this whole art museum at a university. ... I want excuses to send Stark visiting my town, this is a good excuse, is all. But! Story more interesting to other people:
*Imagine if* Tony gave Steve a whole art museum, and then when Steve needed somewhere to base the Avengers he sent the art away and moved in the war. Giving up Steve for the Captain. Story.
So I want the Avengers, working with Fury's SHIELD, to be based in England as part of being what SHIELD should be, based on international co-operation.
And I think there's character mileage in keeping the building history exactly and precisely what it has been in this world.
I don't expect everyone else to agree with me though, especially if the movie actually did say where it was. But I've read stuff that said it could be anywhere in the world, and I like that version much better.
More new and interesting story if it's set around here.
I just read a fanboy explain of the movie in terms of comics canon. Pretty sure that they'll only fool themselves if they filter everything that way. The movie keeps using comics to twist expectations and then do its own thing.
But I got annoyed at something it said that I don't think is canon, only I can't actually remember for sure. It reckoned the end of the movie was set in upstate New York. And I was very sulk at this assertion, because no, nope, that bit is at the University of East Anglia.
The thing is if the Avengers stay in New York, if SHIELD stays in New York, if every super hero stays in New York, then it's just more Americans telling the world how to live. SHIELD has bases all over the world, and if they're US bases then that's a very different colonial project than if they are in fact an international organisation. Same with the Avengers. Sure, we're never getting past the fact it's Captain America leading them, but he spent the whole movie acknowledging that other people defending their own countries is entirely legit, and then at the end he recruited someone we've just seen is very much not American. And there's Natasha, also not American. And Thor isn't even from Earth, so even if he comes back, still not American.
Jane was working in England, Thor 2 happened partly in England, SHIELD have a base somewhere in England that was dealing with the cleanup, and I thoroughly resent the assumption that that means Americans were clearning up British messes. There are US Air Force bases in England so there's certainly precedent, but there's no need for it. SHIELD has the World Security Council overseeing them, including a Brit. Coulson's team has two Brits. SHIELD recruits internationally, has bases internationally, remains an international organisation.
So then the Avengers are setting up a training base somewhere? Okay. Maybe in the comics it's always New York, but it makes much more sense as a statement of their new position in the world, international and what SHIELD should be, if they set up somewhere else.
So.
Clearly.
The Avengers move to my town to set up their Academy, and as well as studying at the UEA and taking advantage of world class science facilities and a really awesome library, they can study up to be better Avengers, maybe taking courses in politics and so forth as well as all the running around.
Also, if you can get over the rudeness of lifting from real people lives to feed fictional characters, you can get story out of slight translation from the real world Sainsbury Centre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainsbury_Centre_for_Visual_Arts
In this universe it's a building where rich people donated their art collection, though the Sainsburys are in supermarkets, not superheroism.
I don't know why Starks would be in Norwich, but, you know, parallels. ... actually it's easier to put Howard Stark in England, he'd been here during the war, he could keep up connections.
Also it's giving me / reviving vaguely read ideas about Howard meeting Maria over here.
The timing [of construction] would make it be after Tony is born, building big art place and donating all arts for it.
But then imagine Tony inheriting it, having this whole art museum at a university. ... I want excuses to send Stark visiting my town, this is a good excuse, is all. But! Story more interesting to other people:
*Imagine if* Tony gave Steve a whole art museum, and then when Steve needed somewhere to base the Avengers he sent the art away and moved in the war. Giving up Steve for the Captain. Story.
So I want the Avengers, working with Fury's SHIELD, to be based in England as part of being what SHIELD should be, based on international co-operation.
And I think there's character mileage in keeping the building history exactly and precisely what it has been in this world.
I don't expect everyone else to agree with me though, especially if the movie actually did say where it was. But I've read stuff that said it could be anywhere in the world, and I like that version much better.
More new and interesting story if it's set around here.
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Date: 2015-05-06 04:02 am (UTC)