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beccaelizabethWhy is Barry having a big argument about killing Grodd
and nobody is mentioning
Al Rothstein, Eddie Slick and Griffin Grey.
Were there others? I honestly can't remember right now.
Is this something Flashpoint did to the timeline? Does nobody here remember those deaths? Does Barry get to hit reset?
But two of them were from Earth 2, which was not reset.
Barry saying "You would have killed to save Jesse" - because Harry didn't get caught, except by Jesse.
Also "Saving one life doesn't justify taking another" is a ... interesting statement, given that cops carry guns there.
Harry insisting there's always another way is a good character note, look, progress... but why is Barry acting like killing would be new? Does the show want us to forget the other times?
Like, I like their conclusion, but wow was the journey a weird take in canon.
Also, Barry saying that Ollie killed and people still think he's a hero... That is not the moral arc I got out of the whole progress from Hood to Green Arrow. Someone needs to yell at Barry about that.
Also also also - they never bother mentioning why killing is wrong. Like, they'll just have someone say they have to and someone else say it's wrong. As per usual the most relevant problem is it wouldn't bloody work. I mean a whole city is attacking, what are you going to do, gorilla genocide? Expect them to bow when you win? Didn't happen last time. The other way was in fact the only way, killing would have done bugger all.
Even when Solivar won. Then problem would have been gorillas with that code going home and staying angry. They were trying to sell the city on the concept of mercy so they wouldn't go all murder on their humans. Mercy was pretty necessary.
It's easy to see, but the characters never mention it.
Which is ridiculous.
What else...
I wish they'd named that character something else. Retrieval specialist turning hero? Yaay. You couldn't handle me? Pretty yaay, Cisco was not being win.
Harry not getting along with HR is kind of fun, but they're pushing the foolishness of HR even while giving him useful things to do, so it's weirdly told.
Also if it's about HR being stupid rather than HR being a fraud then it's that annoying ablist hierarchy where the genius characters can't human properly around ordinary humans. Boring.
I am also bored by mind control, so that's a blah.
But Grodd stories, especially one where the first half had Barry win by doing a Reverse Flash, are about how they're both shaped by how they were raised, and what that man Grodd calls father gave them. So there's three of Wells in this story, the two live bodies and the influence of the murderer. Which is cool. Barry deciding whether or not to kill is absolutely a story to explore with this kind of comparison.
But it really needs to remember he already did.
and nobody is mentioning
Al Rothstein, Eddie Slick and Griffin Grey.
Were there others? I honestly can't remember right now.
Is this something Flashpoint did to the timeline? Does nobody here remember those deaths? Does Barry get to hit reset?
But two of them were from Earth 2, which was not reset.
Barry saying "You would have killed to save Jesse" - because Harry didn't get caught, except by Jesse.
Also "Saving one life doesn't justify taking another" is a ... interesting statement, given that cops carry guns there.
Harry insisting there's always another way is a good character note, look, progress... but why is Barry acting like killing would be new? Does the show want us to forget the other times?
Like, I like their conclusion, but wow was the journey a weird take in canon.
Also, Barry saying that Ollie killed and people still think he's a hero... That is not the moral arc I got out of the whole progress from Hood to Green Arrow. Someone needs to yell at Barry about that.
Also also also - they never bother mentioning why killing is wrong. Like, they'll just have someone say they have to and someone else say it's wrong. As per usual the most relevant problem is it wouldn't bloody work. I mean a whole city is attacking, what are you going to do, gorilla genocide? Expect them to bow when you win? Didn't happen last time. The other way was in fact the only way, killing would have done bugger all.
Even when Solivar won. Then problem would have been gorillas with that code going home and staying angry. They were trying to sell the city on the concept of mercy so they wouldn't go all murder on their humans. Mercy was pretty necessary.
It's easy to see, but the characters never mention it.
Which is ridiculous.
What else...
I wish they'd named that character something else. Retrieval specialist turning hero? Yaay. You couldn't handle me? Pretty yaay, Cisco was not being win.
Harry not getting along with HR is kind of fun, but they're pushing the foolishness of HR even while giving him useful things to do, so it's weirdly told.
Also if it's about HR being stupid rather than HR being a fraud then it's that annoying ablist hierarchy where the genius characters can't human properly around ordinary humans. Boring.
I am also bored by mind control, so that's a blah.
But Grodd stories, especially one where the first half had Barry win by doing a Reverse Flash, are about how they're both shaped by how they were raised, and what that man Grodd calls father gave them. So there's three of Wells in this story, the two live bodies and the influence of the murderer. Which is cool. Barry deciding whether or not to kill is absolutely a story to explore with this kind of comparison.
But it really needs to remember he already did.
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Date: 2017-09-23 05:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-09-25 01:58 pm (UTC)Daredevil sounds like problems.
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Date: 2017-09-25 02:06 pm (UTC)lists a few more deaths you could argue
Hunter Zoloman is a bit tricky to count, seeing as he's more transformed. Undead? The corporeal basis of a personified speed force enforcer? Merged with time wraith? Transformed into an instrument? He looks pretty damn dead and yet moves. It borks the definitions.
Farooq Gibran and Danton Black both died while attacking the Flash but seem weird to count. Griffin Grey they made the plan to make him age, so even if 'to death' was a surprise to them, they were somehow happy with him losing lifespan.
Jake Simmons, Deathbolt, was killed by the guy Barry hired to do exactly that if they escaped, so it can be set at his feet if you want.
But then Joe killing people while working with team Flash needs some thinking on.
Trajectory, Eliza, burned up in front of him, but unlike Grey that wasn't the stated plan, he was trying to save her.
There's some very messy edges to an actually pretty lengthy death list.