Avengers Age of Ultron
Jun. 17th, 2018 08:13 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethThis isn't a movie I go back to in my head much.
And given what a big deal it all should be to Tony, that's kind of an unexpected fail for it.
I kept on being distracted, losing track of the big action scenes, because I was chewing over how much of the movie felt like it was there for Doylist reasons. This movie was made by that guy, ergo Nat is doing that.
Women in superhero movies are... not often treated well, but this just bothered me, often, in ways niggling and gross. Niggles are like when screaming women's cleavage is front and center, and teh stupid suits don't seem to zip, and somehow Wanda goes into battle with everything showing except an expression. Big stuff is... Nat, basically, and the absence of some people, and how much of the story was about babies but without it connecting up to Ultron. The threads were just kind of there. You could get stuff out of them but you'd have to put in so much work you'd probably weave it yourself.
I just didn't see what that was doing in a superhero movie or how it contributed anything helpful or useful. The only reason to raise a challenge like that is if you're going to face it and put it in perspective by the end of the movie, and this does not. It just... has a big speech about infertility, and a pregnant woman, and not enough connective tissue to make it mean anything.
Also Banner seemed entirely baffled by all the all, as if it came out of nowhere from his perspective too, and having another character tell him how to feel about it does not in fact help.
Very little Thor did made sense.
Vision is kind of great, but to make him look better, the story made out like JARVIS was not a person, and I just do not buy that. So it loses me right there. I mean, there's moments where Tony just lost one of his AI kids and he's having feelings, but then he has that conversation about how being worthy doesn't count, and it doesn't hang together except with angles and assumptions I can't share from other movies.
... the prima nocta joke doesn't belong anywhere.
Why does Barton have kids? Happy family to go home to? Just to contrast everyone else?
The movie raises a lot of stuff, like 'home', but I don't see what it's doing with it, except waving the keywords around.
And then the end... does not connect up to other movies. Look, there is a big organisation now! Many people! ... until there isn't.
Also, I have said before and will say again, there is so much more story if the filming location is the actual location of the new Avengers place. UEA, University of East Anglia, Sainsbury Centre, an art museum. I've walked around there many times. If the Avengers go international, with their recruiting and location, then that's an answer to the ugly Americans strand of the movie, if they're educating and being educated it answers the isolationist not-gods tendencies, and if they turn an art gallery into a barracks then that reinforces Steve's new rejection of the go home paradigm in a heartbreaking way. If it's just another Stark warehouse in New York it's nothing.
Ultron, the guy who woke up, looked at humans, and thought 'nah', makes perfect sense.
But nothing about the tech in this movie does, even by movie standards. Ultron must have backups lying around. Unless he doesn't believe he can lose, I guess. But from a tech point of view? If JARVIS can hid his core protocols without knowing it, so can Ultron, so the idea they've ended him is stupid.
Bruce and Tony seeing rage and fear in JARVIS death makes perfect sense. JARVIS dying sucks. But the giving birth to angry children thread worked great.
I can make essays on how to raise an AI. JARVIS was worked into every aspect of Tony's life, very social, and put to work but also surrounded by humans a long time. Ultron was expected to wake up and fight and die for us. Of course he makes sense. Child soldiers.
So the twins as written here are very on theme. But I know enough from other canons to be really offended by the signing up with HYDRA, and the... everything. Everything they did that messed them up.
Fridging the boy twin to give Wanda pain is kind of less tired than the other way around.
But it still looks all Doylist reasons, what with that other franchise.
I have feelings about this movie but they're all about taking it apart and doing different. Stuff with Tony followed from IM3 but included the part with assumptions about AI and his relationship to it that I don't like. And the stuff with Tony is the only thread that seems salvageable to me.
I'd raid this movie for parts, and not many of them.
And given what a big deal it all should be to Tony, that's kind of an unexpected fail for it.
I kept on being distracted, losing track of the big action scenes, because I was chewing over how much of the movie felt like it was there for Doylist reasons. This movie was made by that guy, ergo Nat is doing that.
Women in superhero movies are... not often treated well, but this just bothered me, often, in ways niggling and gross. Niggles are like when screaming women's cleavage is front and center, and teh stupid suits don't seem to zip, and somehow Wanda goes into battle with everything showing except an expression. Big stuff is... Nat, basically, and the absence of some people, and how much of the story was about babies but without it connecting up to Ultron. The threads were just kind of there. You could get stuff out of them but you'd have to put in so much work you'd probably weave it yourself.
I just didn't see what that was doing in a superhero movie or how it contributed anything helpful or useful. The only reason to raise a challenge like that is if you're going to face it and put it in perspective by the end of the movie, and this does not. It just... has a big speech about infertility, and a pregnant woman, and not enough connective tissue to make it mean anything.
Also Banner seemed entirely baffled by all the all, as if it came out of nowhere from his perspective too, and having another character tell him how to feel about it does not in fact help.
Very little Thor did made sense.
Vision is kind of great, but to make him look better, the story made out like JARVIS was not a person, and I just do not buy that. So it loses me right there. I mean, there's moments where Tony just lost one of his AI kids and he's having feelings, but then he has that conversation about how being worthy doesn't count, and it doesn't hang together except with angles and assumptions I can't share from other movies.
... the prima nocta joke doesn't belong anywhere.
Why does Barton have kids? Happy family to go home to? Just to contrast everyone else?
The movie raises a lot of stuff, like 'home', but I don't see what it's doing with it, except waving the keywords around.
And then the end... does not connect up to other movies. Look, there is a big organisation now! Many people! ... until there isn't.
Also, I have said before and will say again, there is so much more story if the filming location is the actual location of the new Avengers place. UEA, University of East Anglia, Sainsbury Centre, an art museum. I've walked around there many times. If the Avengers go international, with their recruiting and location, then that's an answer to the ugly Americans strand of the movie, if they're educating and being educated it answers the isolationist not-gods tendencies, and if they turn an art gallery into a barracks then that reinforces Steve's new rejection of the go home paradigm in a heartbreaking way. If it's just another Stark warehouse in New York it's nothing.
Ultron, the guy who woke up, looked at humans, and thought 'nah', makes perfect sense.
But nothing about the tech in this movie does, even by movie standards. Ultron must have backups lying around. Unless he doesn't believe he can lose, I guess. But from a tech point of view? If JARVIS can hid his core protocols without knowing it, so can Ultron, so the idea they've ended him is stupid.
Bruce and Tony seeing rage and fear in JARVIS death makes perfect sense. JARVIS dying sucks. But the giving birth to angry children thread worked great.
I can make essays on how to raise an AI. JARVIS was worked into every aspect of Tony's life, very social, and put to work but also surrounded by humans a long time. Ultron was expected to wake up and fight and die for us. Of course he makes sense. Child soldiers.
So the twins as written here are very on theme. But I know enough from other canons to be really offended by the signing up with HYDRA, and the... everything. Everything they did that messed them up.
Fridging the boy twin to give Wanda pain is kind of less tired than the other way around.
But it still looks all Doylist reasons, what with that other franchise.
I have feelings about this movie but they're all about taking it apart and doing different. Stuff with Tony followed from IM3 but included the part with assumptions about AI and his relationship to it that I don't like. And the stuff with Tony is the only thread that seems salvageable to me.
I'd raid this movie for parts, and not many of them.