Torchwood Submission
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beccaelizabethToday I listened to the BBC audio Submission, the last radio play before House of the Dead.
It has a lot going on about loneliness and guilt, and a thing that makes me want to have a theological discussion with Jack where Jack says he can have no redemption because he doesnt get to die, and I'm fairly sure it doesnt work like that.
Also Ianto being all "I love him but he'll never be mine" also does not work like that, but, that is the tragedy of janto, they never get on the same page about that.
There's a lady in this that was interested in Ianto once, though he seems awkward about that so it seems one sided, but we get a good moment where Jack thinks she is dead and Ianto wont give up on her and this time that saves her. Good for him.
Seriously though, its bothering me that Jack can say/think "Maybe we never get forgiven, and we have to spend all these long years getting used to that fact, 'cause I realised a long time ago, that's the price of immortality. No final act, no redemption, no absolution."
I mean, where is that even coming from? He thinks theres Nothing after. What does redemption and absolution mean to him, that he thinks he could only get it by dying but he also thinks death is the big nothing?
It's not that it's not plausible, after Abaddon its obviously plausible, it's more that Jack lives in a very dark place, and that bit keeps looking worse whenever I think about it.
It was a good adventure.
The only drawback is, as usual with these BBC ones, I have heard them working in audio more recently and they all got so much better the old ones seem... stiff.
But still pretty good.
It has a lot going on about loneliness and guilt, and a thing that makes me want to have a theological discussion with Jack where Jack says he can have no redemption because he doesnt get to die, and I'm fairly sure it doesnt work like that.
Also Ianto being all "I love him but he'll never be mine" also does not work like that, but, that is the tragedy of janto, they never get on the same page about that.
There's a lady in this that was interested in Ianto once, though he seems awkward about that so it seems one sided, but we get a good moment where Jack thinks she is dead and Ianto wont give up on her and this time that saves her. Good for him.
Seriously though, its bothering me that Jack can say/think "Maybe we never get forgiven, and we have to spend all these long years getting used to that fact, 'cause I realised a long time ago, that's the price of immortality. No final act, no redemption, no absolution."
I mean, where is that even coming from? He thinks theres Nothing after. What does redemption and absolution mean to him, that he thinks he could only get it by dying but he also thinks death is the big nothing?
It's not that it's not plausible, after Abaddon its obviously plausible, it's more that Jack lives in a very dark place, and that bit keeps looking worse whenever I think about it.
It was a good adventure.
The only drawback is, as usual with these BBC ones, I have heard them working in audio more recently and they all got so much better the old ones seem... stiff.
But still pretty good.