Highlander season 6: Indiscretions
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beccaelizabethI downloaded.
I liked.
This would be a much better episode if that young woman Watcher could act. Or act more than one mood.
Every line so far I've not liked it.
Also, it would help if the character wasn't so *stupid*. I mean really hugely very stupid. Tapes and notes??? How has Watcher secrecy been maintained with doing that!
And stalking someone in clacky heels and a short skirt?
eesh.
Promoting family beyond their competence, very very stupid. Promoting anyone into a job they can't do, for that matter.
Methos calling Joe a hypocrite. Quite right. And then Joe going to him for help? And Methos being snarky about it.
I like Methos :)
Flashbacks are a bit annoying. Couldn't they show some of the wives that lived? Maybe have the other Immortal be annoyed because Methos married his slave and took her away that way? Nooooo, it has to be horrible angsty death.
I do like the way he reacts to the flirting. He's just so enthusiastic.
Joe the action hero :)
Methos getting shot in public to protect Joe, even though he's being really annoying.True love! Friends!
Speeding away in the car!
I, er, had brief visions of them going woosh and his legs getting left behind... but that would be silly... Plus vastly inconvenient of course. But I read a thing about a guy who went on one of those dangly rollercoasters and his leg flew off... er, which is really off topic. /tangent
Heh, evil dude being snarky that they let the no legs guy get away :) Does make the minions look bad, even though legs or lack of them don't do much to shooting straight.
"Will you turn the car around?"
"Give me one good reason."
"Because we're going the wrong way!"
"I beg to differ, the bullets are back that way!"
"Forgot who I was dealing with."
double act
:)
The bit with the thumb - "observe. and record."
is funny :)
but feels a bit off. I mean Joe is all grumpy and angsty and woe and worried and... mucking about with his friend?
I guess that could work for some people.
*shrugs*
And then they have a shouted argument involving the words "200 years ago" whilst standing about ten feet away from the nice guy who gave them a lift?
er, Joe, remember that 'secrecy' thing you lived by most of your life?
So you can put it together to be 'Joe is very tangled with upset'.
more shooting! Joe runs away! Well, obviously runs isn't precisely the word... this action hero bit has certain limitations...
*notices thats a really big barrel of 'synthetic lubricant' Methos is hiding behind*
*tries not to make joke*
whee! barrels go boom! Methos shot them.
but not the lube barrel.
I'm vaguely glad. lube that goes boom... bad.
Methos calling Joe "Dad"
... *again is not making a joke. at all. nope.*
I like the expression-conversation they have in that bit, when he says 'daughter' and there is reactions.
I love how Methos looks in a long coat. I know its shallow. But with the long legs and moving fast... nice effect.
Methos doing it the old fashioned way...
*clunk, thud*
*grin*
... hang on, Joe has a mobile phone, yet they had to go walk for petrol? They couldn't call AA for why?
Even once Methos has the gun, he doesn't trade on his Immortality and go charging in. He does sneaky. Gets the other guy to come out into the open, gets a clean shot.
And gets that lovely little look on his face.
Yeah, Death is such a long way in his past...
(also like use of shadow in that section. Half his face in shadow most of the time. This is not the shiny hero guy.)
And the astounding unanticipated plot twist! Oh noes Joe!
Watching Methos reacting to that conversation, knowing he knows... I just like that.
Joe being all noble with "better to screw up one life than 4"
fits
but still, :eyeroll:
(I have opinions on telling people about their biological ancestry, based on the fact that family tree medical history is important, and also that if you don't know you're related you don't know not to date people. But I realise other people do the math differently.)
Methos prodding Joe into confiding, and being all... devious. Go on about 'saved life' and 'trusting me' and 'bond between us' and 'best friend' and... don't actually come out and say anything... sneaky he is. Fun it is.
"We actually make a really good team. We could be like Scully and Mulder. Sipowicz and Simone. Caligula and Incitatus... well maybe not Incitatus because he was a horse-"
(I think I heard that PW came up with that lot himself. Which would make it just that bit funnier.)
And Joe finally cracking. "Its a trap!"
"There that wasn't so hard was it."
LOL
Methos you bitch... Snark central.
That part just cracks me up. The whole drive there, he's known and he's been pushing, and now he's just patting Joe on the back for telling him like a good boy.
The non-fun side is, if Joe didn't tell him, he'd have to go in that building and treat Joe like an enemy. One who knows Methos' real name and how to kill him. That's a killing situation. So if Joe hadn't fessed up? Bad.
But Methos treats it like a funny.
Dude's got a twisty sense of humour.
"weird thing with your face" impression :-D
"last time I play poker with you"
"Why did you drag this out?"
"I'm easily amused."
:-D
*loves Methos*
and also
*facepalm*
Methos going all cold and getting his sword out.
pretty.
Joe reunion hugs, sweet!
and now the fighting.
"I've waited almost two hundred years for this."
"Do the words 'compulsive obsessive' mean anything to you?"
lol
snarky fighting
yaays!
Grabbing hugging not sweet.
Methos deliberately electrocuting himself to get out of it!
Gambling he'll recover quicker?
other guy is on his feet first. *big* gamble.
Methos moves around much more in the vertical than most fights do. Crouching and all. And uses both hands. And everything in his environment. And he has his sword what most people would figure is upside down for the moves he wins with. Interesting style.
"Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean that I can't."
and the amount of vicious he pours into that line...
oh yeah.
(have now watched the fight about half a dozen times.)
that whole thing doesn't look like 'doesn't like'. Avoiding for his health, yes. But possibly also because he *does* like. A lot.
complex shadows on his face. from deep dark to very bright. Complicated character.
... Quickening! Boom!
Q stretches him out, wide arms and looking painful. Methos is left trying to pull himself together fairly literally.
Nice.
Mac tends to use his sword in a Quickening, like he's warding it off or channeling power through it or something. Methos ends up throwing his away, not on purpose, just when the Q shocks him out. interesting.
Yup, I'm reading much into this. Is fun.
So, from canon, series canon that is, do we know if the Watchers know the Adam Pierson = Immortal thing?
Joe and daughter talk at the end, and her leaving.
*hugs Joe*
"She'll be back."
"How do you know?"
"Because I'm very old and wise."
(when convenient)
"To someday."
serious toast there.
and, by the way I count Highlander episodes, the last line ever.
Which I can live with.
This was effectively a pilot for an Adam&Joe spin off show.
Makes me :-( we didn't get it.
Though given how messy the Highlander output has been lately, not too :-(
Things I liked: Methos (as always). Joe. The connection, the plausibility of the relationships, the not impossible plot, the way it felt like a Highlander episode but also different. Methos flavour.
I liked the music. This is worth noting since I usually hate loathe and detest the music on the regular Highlander episodes. Intrusive and not matching. This lot though I could live with.
Things I didn't like: angry young watcher woman.
which really is very small of not liking, especially if you think of this as a pilot.
A Methos show has so much more scope than even Highlander did. You've got the whole of recorded history to play in, and a character who doesn't limit his actions by some chivalric code. Which complicates things, naturally. Makes it that bit more difficult to get him involved.
But we've also seen that Methos will do absolutely anything for someone he loves, even risk his ancient neck on a legend. So all you have to do is surround him with people to care about and he's involved. The 'fight every week' kind of involved would still be out of character. But a lot more kinds of sneaky would be in character, and a lot more kinds of reaction in general, so I figure it works out to the benefit of potential plots.
Plus, as we know, Methos wants his own show.
... I think, on balance, I still want him to get it. Granted the whole 'unaging' bit would become a bit of a collaboration with the audience, to agree to ignore. And yes, I remain in denial about the existence of rather a lot of what Highlander has been making lately. But I'm left feeling optimistic.
Methos wants his own show, and he's star enough to make it work.
I liked.
This would be a much better episode if that young woman Watcher could act. Or act more than one mood.
Every line so far I've not liked it.
Also, it would help if the character wasn't so *stupid*. I mean really hugely very stupid. Tapes and notes??? How has Watcher secrecy been maintained with doing that!
And stalking someone in clacky heels and a short skirt?
eesh.
Promoting family beyond their competence, very very stupid. Promoting anyone into a job they can't do, for that matter.
Methos calling Joe a hypocrite. Quite right. And then Joe going to him for help? And Methos being snarky about it.
I like Methos :)
Flashbacks are a bit annoying. Couldn't they show some of the wives that lived? Maybe have the other Immortal be annoyed because Methos married his slave and took her away that way? Nooooo, it has to be horrible angsty death.
I do like the way he reacts to the flirting. He's just so enthusiastic.
Joe the action hero :)
Methos getting shot in public to protect Joe, even though he's being really annoying.
Speeding away in the car!
I, er, had brief visions of them going woosh and his legs getting left behind... but that would be silly... Plus vastly inconvenient of course. But I read a thing about a guy who went on one of those dangly rollercoasters and his leg flew off... er, which is really off topic. /tangent
Heh, evil dude being snarky that they let the no legs guy get away :) Does make the minions look bad, even though legs or lack of them don't do much to shooting straight.
"Will you turn the car around?"
"Give me one good reason."
"Because we're going the wrong way!"
"I beg to differ, the bullets are back that way!"
"Forgot who I was dealing with."
double act
:)
The bit with the thumb - "observe. and record."
is funny :)
but feels a bit off. I mean Joe is all grumpy and angsty and woe and worried and... mucking about with his friend?
I guess that could work for some people.
*shrugs*
And then they have a shouted argument involving the words "200 years ago" whilst standing about ten feet away from the nice guy who gave them a lift?
er, Joe, remember that 'secrecy' thing you lived by most of your life?
So you can put it together to be 'Joe is very tangled with upset'.
more shooting! Joe runs away! Well, obviously runs isn't precisely the word... this action hero bit has certain limitations...
*notices thats a really big barrel of 'synthetic lubricant' Methos is hiding behind*
*tries not to make joke*
whee! barrels go boom! Methos shot them.
but not the lube barrel.
I'm vaguely glad. lube that goes boom... bad.
Methos calling Joe "Dad"
... *again is not making a joke. at all. nope.*
I like the expression-conversation they have in that bit, when he says 'daughter' and there is reactions.
I love how Methos looks in a long coat. I know its shallow. But with the long legs and moving fast... nice effect.
Methos doing it the old fashioned way...
*clunk, thud*
*grin*
... hang on, Joe has a mobile phone, yet they had to go walk for petrol? They couldn't call AA for why?
Even once Methos has the gun, he doesn't trade on his Immortality and go charging in. He does sneaky. Gets the other guy to come out into the open, gets a clean shot.
And gets that lovely little look on his face.
Yeah, Death is such a long way in his past...
(also like use of shadow in that section. Half his face in shadow most of the time. This is not the shiny hero guy.)
And the astounding unanticipated plot twist! Oh noes Joe!
Watching Methos reacting to that conversation, knowing he knows... I just like that.
Joe being all noble with "better to screw up one life than 4"
fits
but still, :eyeroll:
(I have opinions on telling people about their biological ancestry, based on the fact that family tree medical history is important, and also that if you don't know you're related you don't know not to date people. But I realise other people do the math differently.)
Methos prodding Joe into confiding, and being all... devious. Go on about 'saved life' and 'trusting me' and 'bond between us' and 'best friend' and... don't actually come out and say anything... sneaky he is. Fun it is.
"We actually make a really good team. We could be like Scully and Mulder. Sipowicz and Simone. Caligula and Incitatus... well maybe not Incitatus because he was a horse-"
(I think I heard that PW came up with that lot himself. Which would make it just that bit funnier.)
And Joe finally cracking. "Its a trap!"
"There that wasn't so hard was it."
LOL
Methos you bitch... Snark central.
That part just cracks me up. The whole drive there, he's known and he's been pushing, and now he's just patting Joe on the back for telling him like a good boy.
The non-fun side is, if Joe didn't tell him, he'd have to go in that building and treat Joe like an enemy. One who knows Methos' real name and how to kill him. That's a killing situation. So if Joe hadn't fessed up? Bad.
But Methos treats it like a funny.
Dude's got a twisty sense of humour.
"weird thing with your face" impression :-D
"last time I play poker with you"
"Why did you drag this out?"
"I'm easily amused."
:-D
*loves Methos*
and also
*facepalm*
Methos going all cold and getting his sword out.
pretty.
Joe reunion hugs, sweet!
and now the fighting.
"I've waited almost two hundred years for this."
"Do the words 'compulsive obsessive' mean anything to you?"
lol
snarky fighting
yaays!
Grabbing hugging not sweet.
Methos deliberately electrocuting himself to get out of it!
Gambling he'll recover quicker?
other guy is on his feet first. *big* gamble.
Methos moves around much more in the vertical than most fights do. Crouching and all. And uses both hands. And everything in his environment. And he has his sword what most people would figure is upside down for the moves he wins with. Interesting style.
"Just because I don't like to fight doesn't mean that I can't."
and the amount of vicious he pours into that line...
oh yeah.
(have now watched the fight about half a dozen times.)
that whole thing doesn't look like 'doesn't like'. Avoiding for his health, yes. But possibly also because he *does* like. A lot.
complex shadows on his face. from deep dark to very bright. Complicated character.
... Quickening! Boom!
Q stretches him out, wide arms and looking painful. Methos is left trying to pull himself together fairly literally.
Nice.
Mac tends to use his sword in a Quickening, like he's warding it off or channeling power through it or something. Methos ends up throwing his away, not on purpose, just when the Q shocks him out. interesting.
Yup, I'm reading much into this. Is fun.
So, from canon, series canon that is, do we know if the Watchers know the Adam Pierson = Immortal thing?
Joe and daughter talk at the end, and her leaving.
*hugs Joe*
"She'll be back."
"How do you know?"
"Because I'm very old and wise."
(when convenient)
"To someday."
serious toast there.
and, by the way I count Highlander episodes, the last line ever.
Which I can live with.
This was effectively a pilot for an Adam&Joe spin off show.
Makes me :-( we didn't get it.
Though given how messy the Highlander output has been lately, not too :-(
Things I liked: Methos (as always). Joe. The connection, the plausibility of the relationships, the not impossible plot, the way it felt like a Highlander episode but also different. Methos flavour.
I liked the music. This is worth noting since I usually hate loathe and detest the music on the regular Highlander episodes. Intrusive and not matching. This lot though I could live with.
Things I didn't like: angry young watcher woman.
which really is very small of not liking, especially if you think of this as a pilot.
A Methos show has so much more scope than even Highlander did. You've got the whole of recorded history to play in, and a character who doesn't limit his actions by some chivalric code. Which complicates things, naturally. Makes it that bit more difficult to get him involved.
But we've also seen that Methos will do absolutely anything for someone he loves, even risk his ancient neck on a legend. So all you have to do is surround him with people to care about and he's involved. The 'fight every week' kind of involved would still be out of character. But a lot more kinds of sneaky would be in character, and a lot more kinds of reaction in general, so I figure it works out to the benefit of potential plots.
Plus, as we know, Methos wants his own show.
... I think, on balance, I still want him to get it. Granted the whole 'unaging' bit would become a bit of a collaboration with the audience, to agree to ignore. And yes, I remain in denial about the existence of rather a lot of what Highlander has been making lately. But I'm left feeling optimistic.
Methos wants his own show, and he's star enough to make it work.
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Date: 2006-03-01 07:02 pm (UTC)Based on what I can remember, I don't think they ever found out. And if they do know, then they probably think that Adam Pierson is a new Immortal.
Methos has done a great job of creating a different identity, so I doubt they would suspect that he was Methos.
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Date: 2006-03-04 05:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-04 07:19 pm (UTC)Depends on whether one thinks the guys (Nathan Stern and Daniel Geiger) who watched him come back after Stern shot him in Methuselah's Gift lived long enough to spread the news ;-)
But those two guys definitely knew.
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Date: 2006-03-05 01:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-04 04:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-04 05:13 pm (UTC)via Cassandra's Watcher?
(I thought the others lacked Watcher, and Joe wouldn't tell)
But I wouldn't figure it canon. Wasn't even on TV.
It might be full of cool parts to make a story out of though. That would be fun.
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Date: 2006-03-04 05:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-04 07:34 pm (UTC)I hadn't thought of it this way before, but you're right.
According to the Watcher files on the DVD, Amy Zoll has him figured out. Sounds like the Watchers didn't IMMEDIATELY twig after the Horsemen, but they figured out he was an Immortal. Amy Zoll got hired after Constantine's death, and put the pieces together.
Actually, the Watcher files that go with Indiscretions are very funny. Apparently NaughtyWatcher!Adam went through and modified his files about the episode in the flashback to make himself sound more heroic. Amy Zoll rants about the discrepancy with the Captain's Watcher files, and even the newspapers of the day. She complains that it will take decades to undo the damage Adam Pierson / Methos did to the Chronicles.
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Date: 2006-03-05 01:03 am (UTC)*springs to the defence of poor huggable sneaky bastard*
... okay, so its *likely*, but a tad hard to prove by now.
its interesting though. The Watchers whole reason for being is to write down true things, but if you poke at it a bit the whole idea of 'true' tends to fall apart under individual interpretations.