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Jun. 15th, 2006 08:15 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethSomeone is having a conversation about the Angel/us thing again, the soul/less division he has going on.
I had the thought that seen from a Buddhist or Ancient Egyptian perspective, the concepts make a very different sense.
Buddhist theory, anatta or anatman I think, says there is no such thing as a permanent soul. Things arise from other things, thoughts arise from other thoughts, everything changes.
What then would be the 'soul' that the gypsies gave Angelus?
A big rock in a pond, is what. Throw in all that... rebooted old version, all the thoughts and possibilities of an old life. Get a new person.
On 'Monkey' they had demons becoming human by acting human, I think. Its always a bit difficult to tell on Monkey. ANYways, that draws on older eastern traditions. So now I want to go dig out the thinking on what demons are and suchlike.
Buddhist concepts of what people are made of divide up into 5 parts, 5 aggregates, matter, sensations, perceptions, mental formations, and consciousness. I don't really understand it enough to have meta about it.
Egyptian concepts of what people are made of divide up into 7 parts. Wiki has an article. In Egyptian mythology, the human soul is made up of seven parts: the Ren, Sekem, the Akh, the Ba, the Ka, the Sheut, and the Sekhu. During life, the soul [...] was thought to inhabit a body (named the Ha, meaning flesh).
So which parts of that get left out when the demon moves in, or moved back in when Angel got cursed?
The simple model says, humans are a body with a soul in. Vampires kick out the soul and move a demon into the body. Angel then had a soul moved back in with the demon, making 2 people in one body, but with the original inhabitant (the soul) in charge.
It makes the whole 'punish Angel for what Angelus did' thing rather unfair, and the part where Angel is left with the physical addictions and problems of Angelus very unfair, but its simple.
I was just poking the other ideas around to see if they came up with other versions.
But it would take research and thought and stuff, and I have to pack and go to college.
I had the thought that seen from a Buddhist or Ancient Egyptian perspective, the concepts make a very different sense.
Buddhist theory, anatta or anatman I think, says there is no such thing as a permanent soul. Things arise from other things, thoughts arise from other thoughts, everything changes.
What then would be the 'soul' that the gypsies gave Angelus?
A big rock in a pond, is what. Throw in all that... rebooted old version, all the thoughts and possibilities of an old life. Get a new person.
On 'Monkey' they had demons becoming human by acting human, I think. Its always a bit difficult to tell on Monkey. ANYways, that draws on older eastern traditions. So now I want to go dig out the thinking on what demons are and suchlike.
Buddhist concepts of what people are made of divide up into 5 parts, 5 aggregates, matter, sensations, perceptions, mental formations, and consciousness. I don't really understand it enough to have meta about it.
Egyptian concepts of what people are made of divide up into 7 parts. Wiki has an article. In Egyptian mythology, the human soul is made up of seven parts: the Ren, Sekem, the Akh, the Ba, the Ka, the Sheut, and the Sekhu. During life, the soul [...] was thought to inhabit a body (named the Ha, meaning flesh).
So which parts of that get left out when the demon moves in, or moved back in when Angel got cursed?
The simple model says, humans are a body with a soul in. Vampires kick out the soul and move a demon into the body. Angel then had a soul moved back in with the demon, making 2 people in one body, but with the original inhabitant (the soul) in charge.
It makes the whole 'punish Angel for what Angelus did' thing rather unfair, and the part where Angel is left with the physical addictions and problems of Angelus very unfair, but its simple.
I was just poking the other ideas around to see if they came up with other versions.
But it would take research and thought and stuff, and I have to pack and go to college.