Squee fell out
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beccaelizabethsometime around three in the morning all my Torchwood squee wore off. Sort of abruptly. Like it all fell out. And then there would be piles of squee sort of pooled all over the floor.
Messy.
The thing is... I worry.
Captain Jack stole my heart once already, but... Okay, Jack in new season 1 DW started out a con man, a bit angsty, bit of a dark past maybe, though he can't remember it. And he has that military aspect. And he tries to be the boss of everyone, sort of out of habit, because he backs down as soon as the Doctor pokes him. And he was, on the whole, happy. I'm beginning to think I fell for the happy more than the other stuff. Especially the happily omnisexual part of the happy, where he was just finding the whole being people thing fun, and sexy fun. Is fun watching someone have fun, you know? And then he was all 'aw, true love' and that's always fun to watch too.
Torchwood Jack is... different. Yesno? I know is only the third episode, but the balance is different, and... I think some of the meta levels that made me like Jack could be really fragile. Like, happy omnisexual = yaaay but unhappy omnisexual = oh hell familiar.
So we're told that Torchwood is more adult and darker.
And I was all yaaay about that.
But then I compared other fandoms I've been in that went more adult and darker.
Angel compared to Buffy, I love both shows. Angel had a tendency to get depressing as hell in the what are they doing to them now way, but it mixed in some funny and some heroics and, for me, the balance worked.
But...
Comics.
DC Comics have all but chased me out entirely.
Because they have to be Grim! Gritty! Realistic! Dark! Adult!
Well, okay, only some of them aim at adult, but...
I liked the funny. I liked the teams that were teams and just had fun together and beat the bad guys. Dark seems to mean the teams mostly beat themselves, and where's the fun in that?
Or, Battlestar Galactica. I know "What's the worst thing we can do to them now?" is a handy way of generating plot. But "What's the worst thing we can make them be now" is a handy way of getting me to give up on the story. And it is a pretty fine line.
Plus, the way I understand the plot generator, the worst thing happens, and then the characters *deal* with the worst thing.
If it is just worst thing worst thing another worst thing... It gets really boring. There's no variation in tone. It ceases to surprise. And it ceases to involve, at least me. I gave up on BSG because it went so unremittingly awful. Not in the how it was done, that remained well made, but in the what happened. No shiny anywhere, always worst things, and all the characters break. Very dark. And I just got really bored.
So... What I want from Torchwood is for a team of slightly tarnished mostly heroes to deal with dark stuff out in the world.
What I fear I'll get is for the team to be the darkest ones. Which can be an interesting story, but I don't think I'd find it fun.
Plus, I realise omnisexual means shagging opposite sex sometimes, but I read almost exclusively fanfic just because I have seen enough of that. Stories with m/f in are just everywhere, and I'm done with them. Show me the f/f and the m/m and please don't redo the boring dumb patterns. I know, I'm not the audience at large, but I was hoping. And so far there has been little same sex stuff, mostly in a nasty context, and a whole lot of opposite sex stuff, some of it sweet and cute. I'd quite like some sweet and cute and, just possibly please, consensual same sex romance. Doesn't even have to be sex. Even kissing I could live without. I liked the romance.
It will be all about the balance, and of course Jack.
Now what I woke up feeling more optimistic about is, this is episode 3 when they know for sure they have a whole season to play with. And the start of the story is when you set up the problem. When I write my fanfic series the politics view of the relationships is going to look really messed up, because that is the problem the series is meant to address. So... maybe similar here. Maybe.
I just... worry.
Messy.
The thing is... I worry.
Captain Jack stole my heart once already, but... Okay, Jack in new season 1 DW started out a con man, a bit angsty, bit of a dark past maybe, though he can't remember it. And he has that military aspect. And he tries to be the boss of everyone, sort of out of habit, because he backs down as soon as the Doctor pokes him. And he was, on the whole, happy. I'm beginning to think I fell for the happy more than the other stuff. Especially the happily omnisexual part of the happy, where he was just finding the whole being people thing fun, and sexy fun. Is fun watching someone have fun, you know? And then he was all 'aw, true love' and that's always fun to watch too.
Torchwood Jack is... different. Yesno? I know is only the third episode, but the balance is different, and... I think some of the meta levels that made me like Jack could be really fragile. Like, happy omnisexual = yaaay but unhappy omnisexual = oh hell familiar.
So we're told that Torchwood is more adult and darker.
And I was all yaaay about that.
But then I compared other fandoms I've been in that went more adult and darker.
Angel compared to Buffy, I love both shows. Angel had a tendency to get depressing as hell in the what are they doing to them now way, but it mixed in some funny and some heroics and, for me, the balance worked.
But...
Comics.
DC Comics have all but chased me out entirely.
Because they have to be Grim! Gritty! Realistic! Dark! Adult!
Well, okay, only some of them aim at adult, but...
I liked the funny. I liked the teams that were teams and just had fun together and beat the bad guys. Dark seems to mean the teams mostly beat themselves, and where's the fun in that?
Or, Battlestar Galactica. I know "What's the worst thing we can do to them now?" is a handy way of generating plot. But "What's the worst thing we can make them be now" is a handy way of getting me to give up on the story. And it is a pretty fine line.
Plus, the way I understand the plot generator, the worst thing happens, and then the characters *deal* with the worst thing.
If it is just worst thing worst thing another worst thing... It gets really boring. There's no variation in tone. It ceases to surprise. And it ceases to involve, at least me. I gave up on BSG because it went so unremittingly awful. Not in the how it was done, that remained well made, but in the what happened. No shiny anywhere, always worst things, and all the characters break. Very dark. And I just got really bored.
So... What I want from Torchwood is for a team of slightly tarnished mostly heroes to deal with dark stuff out in the world.
What I fear I'll get is for the team to be the darkest ones. Which can be an interesting story, but I don't think I'd find it fun.
Plus, I realise omnisexual means shagging opposite sex sometimes, but I read almost exclusively fanfic just because I have seen enough of that. Stories with m/f in are just everywhere, and I'm done with them. Show me the f/f and the m/m and please don't redo the boring dumb patterns. I know, I'm not the audience at large, but I was hoping. And so far there has been little same sex stuff, mostly in a nasty context, and a whole lot of opposite sex stuff, some of it sweet and cute. I'd quite like some sweet and cute and, just possibly please, consensual same sex romance. Doesn't even have to be sex. Even kissing I could live without. I liked the romance.
It will be all about the balance, and of course Jack.
Now what I woke up feeling more optimistic about is, this is episode 3 when they know for sure they have a whole season to play with. And the start of the story is when you set up the problem. When I write my fanfic series the politics view of the relationships is going to look really messed up, because that is the problem the series is meant to address. So... maybe similar here. Maybe.
I just... worry.
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Date: 2006-11-01 12:38 pm (UTC)Word. I'd love to see happy Jack/Ianto, or Toshiko/Gwen or, hell, give Ianto or Toshiko a nice boyfriend/girlfriend outside work.
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Date: 2006-11-01 06:04 pm (UTC)