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beccaelizabethOkays, noticed this time:
color coding, black and blue team clear contrast to (eew) pink and green Burnie, or beige ed.
Pink again on the rape victim - who did Burnie see as?
plus he got a whole 2 outfits - was that a flag coat at the start?
"If Jack finds out"
"Well he won't"
power? trust?
Toshiko reacts but I can't read the reaction.
I *think* Owen is being the boss of her saying Jack wouldn't find out.
But we're in an episode where knowledge is used for blackmail, where Burnie's first disclosure of knowledge gets him a profit and after that he goes looking for that reaction.
Toshiko isn't fishing that way. Right?
Then T & O are back at TW when J phones to tell G all. J does find out. From O? Or from thinking? We don't see it, so we get to fill in the blanks.
Script handed us too much, imho. Why did she see Burnie say about dead in the street? She couldn't just go down there?
There ought to be some connection between the flashbacks then and the machine assissted flashbacks, but I'm not seeing it.
... I need a new set of words. Like there's words for if the sound is in the TV world or not in their world. Now there needs to be a word for if a flashback is in their world a vision or in our world a tell the audience or something in between like a memory we apparently need to be reminded of after ten minutes.
Why Burnie didn't run away from the old guy = fate. As in, fatalism, always knew you'd come for me. Burnie's incompetent crime is crime that gets caught a lot. He's used to getting caught. So now he's caught again. And that thing where he got talked into putting the tyres back is funny, but its also saying something about what kind of (loser) guy he is. Ready to be the guilty party. So along comes this guy with a knife, and here he is, not running.
Accepting his fate gets Burnie out of it, far as we know.
Fighting theirs gets Gwen into it, as we saw.
If that's what this series has to say about how time works I have a whole big rant I wrote about Father's Day and how that's just the wrong 'verse to be playing deterministic crap.
The future gets changed. Even after you've been there.
So there's no fate.
Just what you make.
Gwen made it by misinterpreting (misreading) the flashforward.
I have read people complain she isn't acting much like a policewoman. I unfortunately agree. Only thing being, when she qualified as a policewoman in that flashback her and Rhys looked the same age as now and she had the same haircut. While it is entirely possible to keep the same hair for a very long time, it is also possible she's relatively new. I'd have to remember stuff from outside this episode to know for sure and my headache is not allowing me such access.
Thing is, disarming some git with a knife and making the knife safe and general breaking up fights duties is stuff she could reasonably be expected to have done before. We saw her break up a fight, except she got splatted.
But the not-police elements could reasonably have put her off her stride. The flashforward messed her up, made her think danger over when actually not so much.
I can buy it, but... It does bug me.
There were ducks quacking when Jack stalked off and they all followed him. That's funny.
Jack being the boss of them... He's in charge. He makes that clear. He makes them go do things. When he's pissed off at Owen he sends him home and distracts the one most likely to take Owen's side in the matter, plus relocates the two of them to somewhere they're unlikely to be interrupted even if somebody wanted to continue the argument. I imagine nobody randomly walks into the shooting things place even if they're in an arguing mood. Or possibly especially.
Owen playing the shooting things computer game, Jack doing shooting, Gwen doing the yaay gesture like she's doing bowling but its with guns now. Overlap is violence as play, disturbing in context. Overlap is compare Gwen/Rhys and Gwen/Jack.
I really don't want there to be Gwen/Jack.
The gun lesson didn't make me giggle this time. I'm just in a different mood. Didn't seem hot either. Potentially creepy.
That scene at the end... Seemed tacked on on first viewing, but today didn't strike me that way.
Function within the story?
Stuff from lit class about evaluation/resolution/coda.
I'd have to look that up to make thoughts about it.
Or other angle-
Makes the story end *not* a team moment but a Jack-Gwen moment again.
See, I'm watching this as a team show, but so far it might possibly be not a team but a triangle with supports. That would annoy me. Not what I'm after. And if it is just down to a pair, Jack and Gwen, then I might even bail, because I have no interest.
It would take me a lot to give up on Jack, if he's still Jack.
But I want team, not pair.
But anyways, that bit on the end gives us the moral of the story, and us sophisticated audience types are annoyed about that.
But it also gives us more Jack, in ways the rest of the team don't see him. We see Jack through Gwen, or we see him being all... nothing much, staring at the work board. We don't see any Jack-Ianto or Jack-Toshiko or anything. Just Jack-Gwen.
Refocus the story to being about the two of them
not team
not Owen.
Blah.
Tacked on for a purpose, but the ones I can see are not ones I can approve of.
Of course, Jack pretty. Blue is good for him. Waistcoats work for me, and on him, and the watch chain is good.
Chains as a theme tend to be more about chains than adornment, when you put them on a character. Plus he has a watch on his wrist, and his other wrist has the magic thingy. So what is on the chain?
... I'm not imagining the chain, am I?
Bugger, I need to go to sleep.
Okay, this even-less-coherent-than-usual data flow brought to you by my predictable big headache and waiting for the painkillers to kick in, which thank goodness they now have. So, sleep.
I may regret any or all of this in the morning.
Oh blah, morning starts at 0645. I regret it already.
*headdesk*
color coding, black and blue team clear contrast to (eew) pink and green Burnie, or beige ed.
Pink again on the rape victim - who did Burnie see as?
plus he got a whole 2 outfits - was that a flag coat at the start?
"If Jack finds out"
"Well he won't"
power? trust?
Toshiko reacts but I can't read the reaction.
I *think* Owen is being the boss of her saying Jack wouldn't find out.
But we're in an episode where knowledge is used for blackmail, where Burnie's first disclosure of knowledge gets him a profit and after that he goes looking for that reaction.
Toshiko isn't fishing that way. Right?
Then T & O are back at TW when J phones to tell G all. J does find out. From O? Or from thinking? We don't see it, so we get to fill in the blanks.
Script handed us too much, imho. Why did she see Burnie say about dead in the street? She couldn't just go down there?
There ought to be some connection between the flashbacks then and the machine assissted flashbacks, but I'm not seeing it.
... I need a new set of words. Like there's words for if the sound is in the TV world or not in their world. Now there needs to be a word for if a flashback is in their world a vision or in our world a tell the audience or something in between like a memory we apparently need to be reminded of after ten minutes.
Why Burnie didn't run away from the old guy = fate. As in, fatalism, always knew you'd come for me. Burnie's incompetent crime is crime that gets caught a lot. He's used to getting caught. So now he's caught again. And that thing where he got talked into putting the tyres back is funny, but its also saying something about what kind of (loser) guy he is. Ready to be the guilty party. So along comes this guy with a knife, and here he is, not running.
Accepting his fate gets Burnie out of it, far as we know.
Fighting theirs gets Gwen into it, as we saw.
If that's what this series has to say about how time works I have a whole big rant I wrote about Father's Day and how that's just the wrong 'verse to be playing deterministic crap.
The future gets changed. Even after you've been there.
So there's no fate.
Just what you make.
Gwen made it by misinterpreting (misreading) the flashforward.
I have read people complain she isn't acting much like a policewoman. I unfortunately agree. Only thing being, when she qualified as a policewoman in that flashback her and Rhys looked the same age as now and she had the same haircut. While it is entirely possible to keep the same hair for a very long time, it is also possible she's relatively new. I'd have to remember stuff from outside this episode to know for sure and my headache is not allowing me such access.
Thing is, disarming some git with a knife and making the knife safe and general breaking up fights duties is stuff she could reasonably be expected to have done before. We saw her break up a fight, except she got splatted.
But the not-police elements could reasonably have put her off her stride. The flashforward messed her up, made her think danger over when actually not so much.
I can buy it, but... It does bug me.
There were ducks quacking when Jack stalked off and they all followed him. That's funny.
Jack being the boss of them... He's in charge. He makes that clear. He makes them go do things. When he's pissed off at Owen he sends him home and distracts the one most likely to take Owen's side in the matter, plus relocates the two of them to somewhere they're unlikely to be interrupted even if somebody wanted to continue the argument. I imagine nobody randomly walks into the shooting things place even if they're in an arguing mood. Or possibly especially.
Owen playing the shooting things computer game, Jack doing shooting, Gwen doing the yaay gesture like she's doing bowling but its with guns now. Overlap is violence as play, disturbing in context. Overlap is compare Gwen/Rhys and Gwen/Jack.
I really don't want there to be Gwen/Jack.
The gun lesson didn't make me giggle this time. I'm just in a different mood. Didn't seem hot either. Potentially creepy.
That scene at the end... Seemed tacked on on first viewing, but today didn't strike me that way.
Function within the story?
Stuff from lit class about evaluation/resolution/coda.
I'd have to look that up to make thoughts about it.
Or other angle-
Makes the story end *not* a team moment but a Jack-Gwen moment again.
See, I'm watching this as a team show, but so far it might possibly be not a team but a triangle with supports. That would annoy me. Not what I'm after. And if it is just down to a pair, Jack and Gwen, then I might even bail, because I have no interest.
It would take me a lot to give up on Jack, if he's still Jack.
But I want team, not pair.
But anyways, that bit on the end gives us the moral of the story, and us sophisticated audience types are annoyed about that.
But it also gives us more Jack, in ways the rest of the team don't see him. We see Jack through Gwen, or we see him being all... nothing much, staring at the work board. We don't see any Jack-Ianto or Jack-Toshiko or anything. Just Jack-Gwen.
Refocus the story to being about the two of them
not team
not Owen.
Blah.
Tacked on for a purpose, but the ones I can see are not ones I can approve of.
Of course, Jack pretty. Blue is good for him. Waistcoats work for me, and on him, and the watch chain is good.
Chains as a theme tend to be more about chains than adornment, when you put them on a character. Plus he has a watch on his wrist, and his other wrist has the magic thingy. So what is on the chain?
... I'm not imagining the chain, am I?
Bugger, I need to go to sleep.
Okay, this even-less-coherent-than-usual data flow brought to you by my predictable big headache and waiting for the painkillers to kick in, which thank goodness they now have. So, sleep.
I may regret any or all of this in the morning.
Oh blah, morning starts at 0645. I regret it already.
*headdesk*
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Date: 2006-11-01 10:21 pm (UTC)I'm almost sure Owen and/or Toshiko had to have told him. Because he could conceivably have figured out Bernie was a blackmailer from what he already knew, but it'd be one hell of a logical leap to go from there to "Owen went round there" with no additional information.
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Date: 2006-11-01 10:24 pm (UTC)