Torchwood incoherence
Jan. 2nd, 2007 11:20 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethI watched 1-12 again.
I'm sure I had thoughts in the middle somewhere
but by the end I was just
OMG-kissing!!!!!-OMG
*facepalm*
and when it looks like he's just going to walk away I actually told off the TV and waved at it to tell him to go back.
Which would be pathetic enough even if this wasn't the third time I've watched it in 24 hours
*facepalm again*
I was thinking though, someone said something about how odd it is that Jack doesn't seem to pick up on 41Jack's attraction.
But to me it looked so very mutual and flirty. I mean there were looks. There were serious looks, and not all of them when the other wasn't looking.
But the thing is, I was thinking, Jack was trying to get the guy to go with his woman - an existing relationship.
Which to my eyes, and several other commenters, looked like a kind of chilly not quite a relationship done maybe for appearances.
But what would it look like to Jack? Sure, he's been around long enough to have seen stuff like that, but would he really understand it? In Jack's world it's all good, so why fake anything? For a particular result, like money from a Time Agent maybe, but just a whole fake relationship? So maybe Jack didn't see fake, just the already there person.
I figure it looked like our Jack was attracted - very - but for once in his life was not enough of a bastard to try and get a guy to cheat on his girl on his last night on earth.
Or, alternatively, he understands very well, and knows why not to make the first move... but that doesn't seem to fit so well, all things considered. I mean, how badly can you screw up the man's last few hours?
Which would be the whole carpe diem thing right there.
I've seen a bunch of people say it isn't plausible, it isn't realistic, a 41 guy wouldn't do that, dancing and kissing, in public.
It kind of pisses me off.
It's like saying that no one would ever risk it - not one person in the world, even if it was their one and only chance.
But we saw the whole build up, the little stages, him getting up the courage and the... the kind of motivation that's fear but comes out the other side again. And being sure of how he was reading our Jack. And just... deciding. And it wasn't like it was at all casual - it wouldn't be half as romantic if there was any casual in it. It cost the both of them. It was love and loss all in one kiss.
It was *beautiful*.
And I'd rather have a world where one person - at the very least *one* person - would do that.
So *angry reaction* at people who can't... can't imagine hard enough to create that world.
They're watching bloody SF where there's time travel and fuck off huge monsters and god knows what else.
And they can't believe in one perfect moment?
Hell with that.
... I rant, I know.
I also know at least half the objection is to the non-reaction of the crowd, but really, that was a non-reaction of standing around staring in shock, not the non-reaction of non-consequence. So I'm not seeing that either.
I could try being less wound up / involved / passionate about TV but... where's the fun?
It's not an obsession it's a 'special interest'.
PS - vote - does this icon need modification?
I'm sure I had thoughts in the middle somewhere
but by the end I was just
OMG-kissing!!!!!-OMG
*facepalm*
and when it looks like he's just going to walk away I actually told off the TV and waved at it to tell him to go back.
Which would be pathetic enough even if this wasn't the third time I've watched it in 24 hours
*facepalm again*
I was thinking though, someone said something about how odd it is that Jack doesn't seem to pick up on 41Jack's attraction.
But to me it looked so very mutual and flirty. I mean there were looks. There were serious looks, and not all of them when the other wasn't looking.
But the thing is, I was thinking, Jack was trying to get the guy to go with his woman - an existing relationship.
Which to my eyes, and several other commenters, looked like a kind of chilly not quite a relationship done maybe for appearances.
But what would it look like to Jack? Sure, he's been around long enough to have seen stuff like that, but would he really understand it? In Jack's world it's all good, so why fake anything? For a particular result, like money from a Time Agent maybe, but just a whole fake relationship? So maybe Jack didn't see fake, just the already there person.
I figure it looked like our Jack was attracted - very - but for once in his life was not enough of a bastard to try and get a guy to cheat on his girl on his last night on earth.
Or, alternatively, he understands very well, and knows why not to make the first move... but that doesn't seem to fit so well, all things considered. I mean, how badly can you screw up the man's last few hours?
Which would be the whole carpe diem thing right there.
I've seen a bunch of people say it isn't plausible, it isn't realistic, a 41 guy wouldn't do that, dancing and kissing, in public.
It kind of pisses me off.
It's like saying that no one would ever risk it - not one person in the world, even if it was their one and only chance.
But we saw the whole build up, the little stages, him getting up the courage and the... the kind of motivation that's fear but comes out the other side again. And being sure of how he was reading our Jack. And just... deciding. And it wasn't like it was at all casual - it wouldn't be half as romantic if there was any casual in it. It cost the both of them. It was love and loss all in one kiss.
It was *beautiful*.
And I'd rather have a world where one person - at the very least *one* person - would do that.
So *angry reaction* at people who can't... can't imagine hard enough to create that world.
They're watching bloody SF where there's time travel and fuck off huge monsters and god knows what else.
And they can't believe in one perfect moment?
Hell with that.
... I rant, I know.
I also know at least half the objection is to the non-reaction of the crowd, but really, that was a non-reaction of standing around staring in shock, not the non-reaction of non-consequence. So I'm not seeing that either.
I could try being less wound up / involved / passionate about TV but... where's the fun?
It's not an obsession it's a 'special interest'.
PS - vote - does this icon need modification?
![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
no subject
Date: 2007-01-03 12:07 am (UTC)Jack was really wanting to get other!Jack to take advantage of what he (our!Jack) knew was his last night - first with the girl, which was VERY GOOD OF HIM, but when our!Jack saw other!Jack wasn't quite so into the girl as the girl was into him, our!Jack felt free to flirt and so forth.
I agree with you - if we can suspend disbelief on time travel, Weevils, the rift, etc, why not Jack and Jack dancing/kissing in 1941?
Meh, going crazy waiting to go home & watch 13...
no subject
Date: 2007-02-12 06:16 pm (UTC)I very much agree with you regarding the 'impossibility' of the kiss in 1941. It's interesting that people who get very worked up about how crap it was to allow the kiss, don't seem to comment on the fact that young George punched Torchwood!Jack. Striking a superior officer - and Jack wears a Group Captain's stripes on his lapels - is a very serious and court-martialable offence. Heck in World War I men were shot for striking a superior officer!
Methinks the anger is displaced, and that perhaps those who complain are more concerned with the kiss itself than the where and when...
no subject
Date: 2007-02-12 06:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-12 06:55 pm (UTC)The point is, nothing is made of this in the episode - it does after all just exist to give a good reason for Jack and Jack to meet. But this little detail doesn't matter to setting purists, whereas the kiss does. That's all my point really was.