Bunny! For Tosh this time
Jan. 23rd, 2007 04:59 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
beccaelizabethHad bath
had chocolate
today 100% achieved
I think that bath may have lasted two hours
... I got bunnied again.
but I'm now very clean.
Bunny: Torchwood, Toshiko, starting with the thought that she really needs a nice sentient being for company.
Was thinking, because Gwen and Gwen/Owen and Owen have all been the twisty rubber band driving this season, next season should be someone elses turn. Tosh, and Ianto. But I couldn't think of much for Tosh, because I don't feel I've got a good idea of who she is yet.
Someone pointed out that 1-13 makes a bit more sense if you posit Tosh has a strong sense of family duty, the kind that comes with deference and obedience and stuff. And that works quite well with 1-07, because it gives her Issues to be dating someone her parents wouldn't approve of. Which part is the problem - girl or alien? She just says she knows which part her parents would say. Well, the obvious is 'girl', but then it's a story you could tell in another genre. Make it 'alien' and we're back in metaphor land, which is where I like to play.
So, Tosh obviously needs to date an alien again.
Girl or boy? How about 'other'?
How about 'lots of others'?
I was thinking Trill. Not so much DS9 but TNG - she could handle Trill changing hosts between males, but couldn't so much handle it when the host was a woman, or at least that's how I remember it. Which is Annoying.
Combine it with snakehead issues - Tok'Ra choose hosts that are willing, ideally, and to make it a partnership they have to be able to offer them something. I don't want the bit where they're fighting the goa'uld. But the part where they can heal people that can't be healed any other way, that has value.
Tok'ra don't like to body hop, they prefer to partner up for life. I don't want that bit either. Seems like body hoppers are always the evil aliens or demons of the piece - like in Angel, that alien looking for the right partner body where it was all about the kind of dating that is mostly hanging around in bars. It's like serial monogamy is only okay if there's a long cycle. Which is weird. So I invent my metaphor alien to have a short cycle on how long they can stay in a particular body. Since humans are new hosts for it, make it even shorter cycle than usual, days or at most a couple of weeks rather than the year they can manage in hosts they're better suited to.
And no return visits, or else they could just get a small circle and stick with them... which actually would be interesting, but isn't what I want to play with.
So, what kind of biology would evolve to need to change hosts and not have the same symbiote return twice?
... not that evolution played a big part in alien invention thus far, but I'm writing down my thought process.
How about, if they leave eggs behind.
Then revisiting would fertilise the eggs from the same parent, which has obvious drawbacks genetically.
... if Tok'ra visits meant tok'ra babies then people would be waaaaay more careful about demanding their help, methinks.
But if people didn't know that was one of the effects? I have this vision of newly moved on alien saying "I guess we should have talked about children before we... you know. But we got a bit carried away..."
So anyways, that last bit would be a big reveal at the end, because in my head it's the dealbreaker... eggs in my head, no! Eeew.
But, if I invent this alien, why to date Tosh?
Well Jack wouldn't have a problem with someone changing bodies; or at least if he does it has knock on implications for the Doctor that I don't want.
Owen wouldn't have issues for entirely the wrong reason - partner that can look like anyone they choose! Shag the pretty half of Cardiff! :eyeroll:
Although, if I want to work on redeeming him, the healer aspect would have some lovely levels of connection. He has said the working with patients was the bad part, but if I want to make him sympathetic I'd make it the *losing* patients. Hmmm, I could tie that in without there being shagging Owen; think I'd prefer that.
Gwen is oversupplied in the boyfriend department as it is, at least with her current attitude. And she'd probably go around giving retcon to all the former hosts so they wouldn't remember her. Which would be dead creepy.
... actually I can include that as well. Without the sex part either. Handy!
Ianto... would have entirely the wrong kind of associations.
Therefore I've got to play with Ianto in this one.
Lover that changes bodies? Ouch. Lover that can dream of being two beings in one body? Double ouch. He's going to react *badly* to this one.
Therefore if the alien ever ends up in Tosh? Ianto will charge in to save her. Even if she doesn't think she needs saving just yet.
Healer alien says they only go to people that need healing, Ianto points gun at himself. Because he really is that nuts in the self sacrifice department. "I was going to let cannibals eat me to save her. Aliens are notably less disturbing."
... and then when the alien is in Ianto, knowing it really didn't mean any harm.
And it would want to heal him... only his kinds of pain don't really respond well to what the alien can do. It could drug them away for as long as it's there, it can make him feel not-lonely-at-all, but then it's going to go and leave him in such a short time, and that's pretty much Ianto's problem to start with, the everyone leaves.
So then there's Ianto hosting Toshiko's lover... in my head this leads to threesome porn with Jack. Except I've cranked the angst levels rather high to get to the porn, so... tricksy.
Once the alien joins with a host, they know all about them. Including the part with the offspring.
oops.
See the first visit is the healer's gift, symbiote to host. They only used to bring relief from pain - bit of a side effect from where they push parts of themselves into major nerve clusters, has to have a painkiller to get even primitive life to stand still for it. But as they evolved thought, wanting to relieve pain got tangled into their reproductive and survival urges, so it's pretty basic now. Only the first time they joined with a thinker, a sentient/sapient being, the children became thinkers too, and they knew what they had done. Killed a unique mind to make themselves. Woe! Pain to many!
They can't be body breeders... not their own body. They can't even survive long without someone else's body. Biology dealt them a tough deal, now they've got empathy to go with it.
So they decided they had to be worth it, and they've been studying and changing themselves ever since, learning to heal.
The second gift, that's from host to healer - that's when the children get made. When a second symbiote visits.
They have the rule only to use a host that would die without them, because then they first give life and feel they're getting paid back when they have to take it.
...I spend waaaaay too much time on alien psychology. It gets very creepy.
So anyways, I have this picture in my head of Jack with a gun on possessed!Ianto and the alien-in-Ianto trying to persuade him to let Healers visit the planet, because of "all this beauty... variety... joy... our children should know humans."
Only Jack would make *ouch* face at 'our children' coming from Ianto.
There would have to be a formula that could clear the alien stuff out of the humans. Tosh would know it from all the joining left in her. Which, pretty much means eggs. Clean them out, lose a ton of knowledge.
There's all kinds of fun stuff to call dilemma and twist all over the place here.
Healer would have travelled all over, joined with races from the far reaches of the galaxy. Would remember things of such beauty. And would be able to translate - lived everywhere, lived *as* everyone, can translate for all of them.
(Beauty - the one who was turning her life into a poem, to be read only at her death. He can't tell it to Toshiko, because she'll live decades now, after the Healer's gift.)
Tosh would have all that in her head when they were joined - and parts of it even after. But to keep it there means risking having alien brain spawn. Which... all else aside? Torchwood is unlikely to allow, and couldn't possibly take her word for wanting while she had spawn in the brain.
could be all kinds of poignant, can't have children with her alien lover after all.
... you know, in a creepy disturbing head splitting way.
Eventually? Don't want to kill the alien. Especially because Tosh already has a bad record there.
So Healer's people come to pick them up. With a volunteer host.
Just to twist the knife? Same species as Mary.
That gives horrible angsty flinching away at the end... or nice healing not everyone who looks like that is bad moments.
Either way, Torchwood ie Jack would say the Healers cannot stay here. Why? Humanity has so many ills it cannot cure, it needs Healers more than anywhere! And... yes, exactly. Because think of the population explosion. Healers can buy years but only stay a few weeks... Sure they could buy a lot of time for a lot of people... in this generation. But later? At best it would end up changing the whole society. Which, from Jack's point of view, means changing the timeline... and that he can't do.
Angst and woe and exiled lover.
... sounds familiar.
I think I like this bunny.
had chocolate
today 100% achieved
I think that bath may have lasted two hours
... I got bunnied again.
but I'm now very clean.
Bunny: Torchwood, Toshiko, starting with the thought that she really needs a nice sentient being for company.
Was thinking, because Gwen and Gwen/Owen and Owen have all been the twisty rubber band driving this season, next season should be someone elses turn. Tosh, and Ianto. But I couldn't think of much for Tosh, because I don't feel I've got a good idea of who she is yet.
Someone pointed out that 1-13 makes a bit more sense if you posit Tosh has a strong sense of family duty, the kind that comes with deference and obedience and stuff. And that works quite well with 1-07, because it gives her Issues to be dating someone her parents wouldn't approve of. Which part is the problem - girl or alien? She just says she knows which part her parents would say. Well, the obvious is 'girl', but then it's a story you could tell in another genre. Make it 'alien' and we're back in metaphor land, which is where I like to play.
So, Tosh obviously needs to date an alien again.
Girl or boy? How about 'other'?
How about 'lots of others'?
I was thinking Trill. Not so much DS9 but TNG - she could handle Trill changing hosts between males, but couldn't so much handle it when the host was a woman, or at least that's how I remember it. Which is Annoying.
Combine it with snakehead issues - Tok'Ra choose hosts that are willing, ideally, and to make it a partnership they have to be able to offer them something. I don't want the bit where they're fighting the goa'uld. But the part where they can heal people that can't be healed any other way, that has value.
Tok'ra don't like to body hop, they prefer to partner up for life. I don't want that bit either. Seems like body hoppers are always the evil aliens or demons of the piece - like in Angel, that alien looking for the right partner body where it was all about the kind of dating that is mostly hanging around in bars. It's like serial monogamy is only okay if there's a long cycle. Which is weird. So I invent my metaphor alien to have a short cycle on how long they can stay in a particular body. Since humans are new hosts for it, make it even shorter cycle than usual, days or at most a couple of weeks rather than the year they can manage in hosts they're better suited to.
And no return visits, or else they could just get a small circle and stick with them... which actually would be interesting, but isn't what I want to play with.
So, what kind of biology would evolve to need to change hosts and not have the same symbiote return twice?
... not that evolution played a big part in alien invention thus far, but I'm writing down my thought process.
How about, if they leave eggs behind.
Then revisiting would fertilise the eggs from the same parent, which has obvious drawbacks genetically.
... if Tok'ra visits meant tok'ra babies then people would be waaaaay more careful about demanding their help, methinks.
But if people didn't know that was one of the effects? I have this vision of newly moved on alien saying "I guess we should have talked about children before we... you know. But we got a bit carried away..."
So anyways, that last bit would be a big reveal at the end, because in my head it's the dealbreaker... eggs in my head, no! Eeew.
But, if I invent this alien, why to date Tosh?
Well Jack wouldn't have a problem with someone changing bodies; or at least if he does it has knock on implications for the Doctor that I don't want.
Owen wouldn't have issues for entirely the wrong reason - partner that can look like anyone they choose! Shag the pretty half of Cardiff! :eyeroll:
Although, if I want to work on redeeming him, the healer aspect would have some lovely levels of connection. He has said the working with patients was the bad part, but if I want to make him sympathetic I'd make it the *losing* patients. Hmmm, I could tie that in without there being shagging Owen; think I'd prefer that.
Gwen is oversupplied in the boyfriend department as it is, at least with her current attitude. And she'd probably go around giving retcon to all the former hosts so they wouldn't remember her. Which would be dead creepy.
... actually I can include that as well. Without the sex part either. Handy!
Ianto... would have entirely the wrong kind of associations.
Therefore I've got to play with Ianto in this one.
Lover that changes bodies? Ouch. Lover that can dream of being two beings in one body? Double ouch. He's going to react *badly* to this one.
Therefore if the alien ever ends up in Tosh? Ianto will charge in to save her. Even if she doesn't think she needs saving just yet.
Healer alien says they only go to people that need healing, Ianto points gun at himself. Because he really is that nuts in the self sacrifice department. "I was going to let cannibals eat me to save her. Aliens are notably less disturbing."
... and then when the alien is in Ianto, knowing it really didn't mean any harm.
And it would want to heal him... only his kinds of pain don't really respond well to what the alien can do. It could drug them away for as long as it's there, it can make him feel not-lonely-at-all, but then it's going to go and leave him in such a short time, and that's pretty much Ianto's problem to start with, the everyone leaves.
So then there's Ianto hosting Toshiko's lover... in my head this leads to threesome porn with Jack. Except I've cranked the angst levels rather high to get to the porn, so... tricksy.
Once the alien joins with a host, they know all about them. Including the part with the offspring.
oops.
See the first visit is the healer's gift, symbiote to host. They only used to bring relief from pain - bit of a side effect from where they push parts of themselves into major nerve clusters, has to have a painkiller to get even primitive life to stand still for it. But as they evolved thought, wanting to relieve pain got tangled into their reproductive and survival urges, so it's pretty basic now. Only the first time they joined with a thinker, a sentient/sapient being, the children became thinkers too, and they knew what they had done. Killed a unique mind to make themselves. Woe! Pain to many!
They can't be body breeders... not their own body. They can't even survive long without someone else's body. Biology dealt them a tough deal, now they've got empathy to go with it.
So they decided they had to be worth it, and they've been studying and changing themselves ever since, learning to heal.
The second gift, that's from host to healer - that's when the children get made. When a second symbiote visits.
They have the rule only to use a host that would die without them, because then they first give life and feel they're getting paid back when they have to take it.
...I spend waaaaay too much time on alien psychology. It gets very creepy.
So anyways, I have this picture in my head of Jack with a gun on possessed!Ianto and the alien-in-Ianto trying to persuade him to let Healers visit the planet, because of "all this beauty... variety... joy... our children should know humans."
Only Jack would make *ouch* face at 'our children' coming from Ianto.
There would have to be a formula that could clear the alien stuff out of the humans. Tosh would know it from all the joining left in her. Which, pretty much means eggs. Clean them out, lose a ton of knowledge.
There's all kinds of fun stuff to call dilemma and twist all over the place here.
Healer would have travelled all over, joined with races from the far reaches of the galaxy. Would remember things of such beauty. And would be able to translate - lived everywhere, lived *as* everyone, can translate for all of them.
(Beauty - the one who was turning her life into a poem, to be read only at her death. He can't tell it to Toshiko, because she'll live decades now, after the Healer's gift.)
Tosh would have all that in her head when they were joined - and parts of it even after. But to keep it there means risking having alien brain spawn. Which... all else aside? Torchwood is unlikely to allow, and couldn't possibly take her word for wanting while she had spawn in the brain.
could be all kinds of poignant, can't have children with her alien lover after all.
... you know, in a creepy disturbing head splitting way.
Eventually? Don't want to kill the alien. Especially because Tosh already has a bad record there.
So Healer's people come to pick them up. With a volunteer host.
Just to twist the knife? Same species as Mary.
That gives horrible angsty flinching away at the end... or nice healing not everyone who looks like that is bad moments.
Either way, Torchwood ie Jack would say the Healers cannot stay here. Why? Humanity has so many ills it cannot cure, it needs Healers more than anywhere! And... yes, exactly. Because think of the population explosion. Healers can buy years but only stay a few weeks... Sure they could buy a lot of time for a lot of people... in this generation. But later? At best it would end up changing the whole society. Which, from Jack's point of view, means changing the timeline... and that he can't do.
Angst and woe and exiled lover.
... sounds familiar.
I think I like this bunny.
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... I'd love my brain more if the bunny-to-fic conversion rate was more worky
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Date: 2007-01-27 05:52 pm (UTC)So once the Healer looks in Ianto's brain and finds that out?
very personal conversation right there.
And with the upshot 'just because I can have children doesn't mean that's what I should dedicate my life to'
with a side order of 'not compatible with my career'
and a long conversation afterwards where it is explained actually yes he could have Ianto's babies, if that ever seemed like a good idea.
Or, of course, that 'never doing that again' could simply refer to brain spawn removal. Which would be sort of gross and depressing. So I don't want to.