new Starbuck/Apollo as slash
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hederahelix said Starbuck is the character in the Starbuck/Apollo pairing who owns her own sexuality. Apollo seems much less comfortable with his, and that's an inversion of what we're used to as thinking of normative in our society. So one inversion, and everyone's ready to call them slash, which I think is a bit rash.
Now I don't know the person who writes that journal or that lj user so I don't want to reply there, but that *isn't* why I read that relationship as slashy. What I mean is I read both characters as kinda queer and their relationship as having all the good stuff I'm looking for in a slash relationship - something closer to equality, working partners, friendship, connections that have nothing to do with sex or dating, the whole thing with mixed messages and confused feelings. And yes, there is no particular reason why most of that would be only in same sex relationships, but that is the stuff I look for in slash fic with m/m only being where I find it prettiest. Intense emotional and powerful relationships.
Why I read them queer? And what I mean by that - well, that part is harder. Possibly not het, possibly not gender normative, lots of fuzzy stuff. Which is why I say queer, it covers the fuzzy. But the why - at least the part that surprised me - I think is body language.
Apollo (and JB but is not good to say such things about RL) in the way he moves to me reads as either queer or very posh. I don't know why. Something about how *much* he moves, that he tilts around and moves more than I'd expect from a straight working class guy. Like Hamilton from AtS season 5, who was more exagerrated on the same things, moved all the time. But Hamilton annoyed me because I felt it was deliberate cover, clowning to make his real reactions unreadable. Apollo doesn't clown that way. Real reactions, just with more movement.
Starbuck... okay, half the reason I read her as not straight is pure wish fulfilment. She hits all my buttons, therefore she has to be available. At least in my dreams. But, the other thing I've been thinking of, the way she moves isn't typically feminine. I read that she copies mannerisms right from the original series Starbuck, and I think that actually shows sometimes and reads to me as queer.
The thing is body language is just such a strange subjective thing. And culturally specific in ways less noticed than spoken language. I have books on it and I still don't have the language I need to explain what I'm seeing here properly. It isn't anything huge and cliche, but I just read them both as slightly off the norm, which makes them way more attractive to me.
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hederahelix said Starbuck is the character in the Starbuck/Apollo pairing who owns her own sexuality. Apollo seems much less comfortable with his, and that's an inversion of what we're used to as thinking of normative in our society. So one inversion, and everyone's ready to call them slash, which I think is a bit rash.Now I don't know the person who writes that journal or that lj user so I don't want to reply there, but that *isn't* why I read that relationship as slashy. What I mean is I read both characters as kinda queer and their relationship as having all the good stuff I'm looking for in a slash relationship - something closer to equality, working partners, friendship, connections that have nothing to do with sex or dating, the whole thing with mixed messages and confused feelings. And yes, there is no particular reason why most of that would be only in same sex relationships, but that is the stuff I look for in slash fic with m/m only being where I find it prettiest. Intense emotional and powerful relationships.
Why I read them queer? And what I mean by that - well, that part is harder. Possibly not het, possibly not gender normative, lots of fuzzy stuff. Which is why I say queer, it covers the fuzzy. But the why - at least the part that surprised me - I think is body language.
Apollo (and JB but is not good to say such things about RL) in the way he moves to me reads as either queer or very posh. I don't know why. Something about how *much* he moves, that he tilts around and moves more than I'd expect from a straight working class guy. Like Hamilton from AtS season 5, who was more exagerrated on the same things, moved all the time. But Hamilton annoyed me because I felt it was deliberate cover, clowning to make his real reactions unreadable. Apollo doesn't clown that way. Real reactions, just with more movement.
Starbuck... okay, half the reason I read her as not straight is pure wish fulfilment. She hits all my buttons, therefore she has to be available. At least in my dreams. But, the other thing I've been thinking of, the way she moves isn't typically feminine. I read that she copies mannerisms right from the original series Starbuck, and I think that actually shows sometimes and reads to me as queer.
The thing is body language is just such a strange subjective thing. And culturally specific in ways less noticed than spoken language. I have books on it and I still don't have the language I need to explain what I'm seeing here properly. It isn't anything huge and cliche, but I just read them both as slightly off the norm, which makes them way more attractive to me.