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Battlestar Galactica the last season
Mar. 8th, 2014 09:26 pmI knew I would hate the ending. I had read the spoilers, so I knew I hated the ending. So the mood I am now in, having watched the ending, is of my own choosing.
But seriously, I hated that ending.
And it's not the god stuff. I resigned myself to ignoring the god stuff before I sat down to these last two. The god stuff is annoying and boring because it takes all emotional/rational cause and effect out of the story and just leaves the whole thing being Because God. Boooooooring.
What I hate?
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I might possibly be stroppy about this for a while.
... okay, less of the might.
And this is annoying, because I already knew the ending, so I guess I figured I wouldn't have a feelings about it again. Except I just watched these people for long and long and long, and then all that happens?
stupid.
*sulks*
So, hey, surprise, I care enough about the characters to be annoyed about the ending, yet liked basically none of the writing choices the further along it went, or the particular things that happened to most of them. I just get attached and then sulk.
I don't think I'm attached enough to go seek out fanfic, but, as with many stories before it, it would be fix its all the way.
Having seen the whole box set now I'm actually glad I gave up on the show when I did and waited for the set to be as cheap as it was. If I'd been watching one episode a week I would have had a very long time to be in a bad mood. As it is I'm likely to have forgotten about it by Monday.
Other things I kind of hate about BSG, much of which is potentially triggering: ( Read more... )
So I don't think it was much good, in the end. It made me care about everyone enough that the ending hurt and made me sad. But from maybe as far back as second season every time it made a choice it chose the things I found least interesting, or most annoying, or possibly actively evil, sometimes.
And that is frustrating, because I liked so many of the parts at the beginning.
I guess I'll just have to write. Then I can choose the ways I'd like better.
But seriously, I hated that ending.
And it's not the god stuff. I resigned myself to ignoring the god stuff before I sat down to these last two. The god stuff is annoying and boring because it takes all emotional/rational cause and effect out of the story and just leaves the whole thing being Because God. Boooooooring.
What I hate?
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I might possibly be stroppy about this for a while.
... okay, less of the might.
And this is annoying, because I already knew the ending, so I guess I figured I wouldn't have a feelings about it again. Except I just watched these people for long and long and long, and then all that happens?
stupid.
*sulks*
So, hey, surprise, I care enough about the characters to be annoyed about the ending, yet liked basically none of the writing choices the further along it went, or the particular things that happened to most of them. I just get attached and then sulk.
I don't think I'm attached enough to go seek out fanfic, but, as with many stories before it, it would be fix its all the way.
Having seen the whole box set now I'm actually glad I gave up on the show when I did and waited for the set to be as cheap as it was. If I'd been watching one episode a week I would have had a very long time to be in a bad mood. As it is I'm likely to have forgotten about it by Monday.
Other things I kind of hate about BSG, much of which is potentially triggering: ( Read more... )
So I don't think it was much good, in the end. It made me care about everyone enough that the ending hurt and made me sad. But from maybe as far back as second season every time it made a choice it chose the things I found least interesting, or most annoying, or possibly actively evil, sometimes.
And that is frustrating, because I liked so many of the parts at the beginning.
I guess I'll just have to write. Then I can choose the ways I'd like better.
Battlestar Galactica season 4
Mar. 7th, 2014 07:25 pmI just watched the end of season 4. I like it. That's kinda hilarious. And it would fit. I mean, all the stuff they've said all along, that would fit it. Kind of a down ending, but, well, I'm sitting here laughing anyway. oops?
I did not find the season very interesting. It spent a lot of time on people really truly having visions now yes yep for reals and not much time at all on people making choices based on things that have already happened and leading to naturalistic consequences. So again, I'm glad I only paid £30 for the whole 5 seasons.
Also, there seem to be a lot of dead women again. Even if you only count unique persons that won't be coming back. I dislike shows that think dead women are the way to move the plot along or make the audience want to watch.
In other activities this evening it was take away night, and I was in a super good mood so I decided to order new and potentially interesting food. So today I discovered satay vegetables taste of not very much and then make my mouth have a sensation which I do not want. At all. So I stopped eating those. So that's a whole container of food wasted :-( And then I tried eating my same usual food but it was not half as nice as usual, probably because my mouth had been adjusted by the do not want hot sensation. :-p And now I get to wait while my digestive system decides if it is merely dubious or going to make me regret my life choices. :eyeroll:
blah.
But I have a whole other season of BSG still to watch.
I'm sure that's not going to go horribly wrong at all.
I did not find the season very interesting. It spent a lot of time on people really truly having visions now yes yep for reals and not much time at all on people making choices based on things that have already happened and leading to naturalistic consequences. So again, I'm glad I only paid £30 for the whole 5 seasons.
Also, there seem to be a lot of dead women again. Even if you only count unique persons that won't be coming back. I dislike shows that think dead women are the way to move the plot along or make the audience want to watch.
In other activities this evening it was take away night, and I was in a super good mood so I decided to order new and potentially interesting food. So today I discovered satay vegetables taste of not very much and then make my mouth have a sensation which I do not want. At all. So I stopped eating those. So that's a whole container of food wasted :-( And then I tried eating my same usual food but it was not half as nice as usual, probably because my mouth had been adjusted by the do not want hot sensation. :-p And now I get to wait while my digestive system decides if it is merely dubious or going to make me regret my life choices. :eyeroll:
blah.
But I have a whole other season of BSG still to watch.
I'm sure that's not going to go horribly wrong at all.
Battlestar Galactica season 3
Mar. 4th, 2014 08:29 pmHaving bought the whole 5 seasons for £29.99 I have been watching them, starting where I left off, with season 3. I just finished it and... I'm feeling kind of like I paid the right price for these? I mean, ( Read more... )
So, the thing where I stopped watching? I'm agreeing with earlier me.
Hence the feeling like I spent about the right amount on these discs.
But, I'm going to go watch some more tomorrow. Now I have them they may be depressing and... well, other kinds of depressing... but unless I have to bail out for my own mental health then I might as well watch. Bits of it are even interesting.
So, the thing where I stopped watching? I'm agreeing with earlier me.
Hence the feeling like I spent about the right amount on these discs.
But, I'm going to go watch some more tomorrow. Now I have them they may be depressing and... well, other kinds of depressing... but unless I have to bail out for my own mental health then I might as well watch. Bits of it are even interesting.
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Oct. 11th, 2006 06:15 pmFinished watching Battlestar Galactica season 2.
Interesting ending.
And by interesting I mean different.
And by different I mean... I am almost tempted to watch what happens next, but put off by seriously not caring even a little bit.
sad really.
Interesting ending.
And by interesting I mean different.
And by different I mean... I am almost tempted to watch what happens next, but put off by seriously not caring even a little bit.
sad really.
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Oct. 9th, 2006 11:05 pmBeen watching BSG all day, the season 2 DVDs.
Watched enough I've got to the episodes I haven't seen yet.
I bailed out in the mid season break. Too depressing.
Haven't really changed my mind on that.
Plus even when Really Bad Things appear to be happening... I mostly don't care. I mean I get upset about some of the concepts (bad things should never happen to babies ever. ever.) but I don't specifically care about these characters and this story and that. I'm watching what will happen next, but whatever it is I'm unlikely to... I'm trying to come up with another word, but it is sleep time now, so I'm just thinking, care.
Its like, they could all go boom, they could all survive, and right now that kind of isn't the point of why I'm watching.
It also tends to loop into RL a bit too close to the important-yet-unalterable for my peace of mind.
er, not philosophically unalterable, just that I personally can't do a hell of a lot about it.
All that said, I've been watching all day. And I'm in a mini argument with myself about if I could stay up a little bit later, seeing as college is only twilight session tomorrow. And I haven't really kept up with email or message boards. So its certainly involving.
It just...
It doesn't live in my head. While I wasn't watching it, I didn't wonder what was up with it. I don't fic these characters, don't have any ideas one way or another what they do when they aren't doing it in episodes. Its just a story. I just watch it.
And then when I get annoyed at it then is all on the portrayal of women / minorities / whatever kind of level, which... doesn't encourage me to keep watching.
Starbuck is still hot. But I got fed up when they added that whole backstory with the breaks. Because I don't think my heroes need Horrible Trauma, and yet they inevitably get it.
All this twisty politics, insanity, backstabbing, all the rest... its just too dark, too depressing, and I think once I finish the DVDs I'll just let it go.
Watched enough I've got to the episodes I haven't seen yet.
I bailed out in the mid season break. Too depressing.
Haven't really changed my mind on that.
Plus even when Really Bad Things appear to be happening... I mostly don't care. I mean I get upset about some of the concepts (bad things should never happen to babies ever. ever.) but I don't specifically care about these characters and this story and that. I'm watching what will happen next, but whatever it is I'm unlikely to... I'm trying to come up with another word, but it is sleep time now, so I'm just thinking, care.
Its like, they could all go boom, they could all survive, and right now that kind of isn't the point of why I'm watching.
It also tends to loop into RL a bit too close to the important-yet-unalterable for my peace of mind.
er, not philosophically unalterable, just that I personally can't do a hell of a lot about it.
All that said, I've been watching all day. And I'm in a mini argument with myself about if I could stay up a little bit later, seeing as college is only twilight session tomorrow. And I haven't really kept up with email or message boards. So its certainly involving.
It just...
It doesn't live in my head. While I wasn't watching it, I didn't wonder what was up with it. I don't fic these characters, don't have any ideas one way or another what they do when they aren't doing it in episodes. Its just a story. I just watch it.
And then when I get annoyed at it then is all on the portrayal of women / minorities / whatever kind of level, which... doesn't encourage me to keep watching.
Starbuck is still hot. But I got fed up when they added that whole backstory with the breaks. Because I don't think my heroes need Horrible Trauma, and yet they inevitably get it.
All this twisty politics, insanity, backstabbing, all the rest... its just too dark, too depressing, and I think once I finish the DVDs I'll just let it go.
Galactica One
Oct. 16th, 2005 11:25 pmGALACTICA ONE 7-9 Oct 2005 Thistle Heathrow, London
An event for fans of the new Battlestar Galactia
Sam Witwer (Crashdown).
has also appeared in Dark Angel, Enterprise, and NCIS.
Tahmoh Penikett, (Lt Karl C. Agathon , call sign Helo).
has also appeared in Dark Angel, Smallville & Stargate SG-1.
Matthew Bennett, (Aaron Doral, one of the human form Cylons).
Aaron Douglas (CPO Tyrol)
also appeared in... Dark Angel, SG1, Smallville, Outer Limits, Dead Zone, Andromeda... bunches of things, imdb link above says.
Also a Jedi Chef.
Okay, my very short con report
Galactica One was a great convention. Unfortunately I wasn't there for half of it. Got sick. And my retention rate for what happened on the parts I was there for is way low, so, short report, and almost certainly containing errors. Don't take my word for anything, I'm way fuzzy on this weekend. And I don't even drink, so I call it unfair.
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But, great weekend, for the Friday and Saturday parts. Great guests, good fun, extra cool for being smaller, even though I'm sure the organisers money would prefer more attendees. It was a good con, and I'm going to the next unless there are scheduling conflicts.
An event for fans of the new Battlestar Galactia
Sam Witwer (Crashdown).
has also appeared in Dark Angel, Enterprise, and NCIS.
Tahmoh Penikett, (Lt Karl C. Agathon , call sign Helo).
has also appeared in Dark Angel, Smallville & Stargate SG-1.
Matthew Bennett, (Aaron Doral, one of the human form Cylons).
Aaron Douglas (CPO Tyrol)
also appeared in... Dark Angel, SG1, Smallville, Outer Limits, Dead Zone, Andromeda... bunches of things, imdb link above says.
Also a Jedi Chef.
Okay, my very short con report
Galactica One was a great convention. Unfortunately I wasn't there for half of it. Got sick. And my retention rate for what happened on the parts I was there for is way low, so, short report, and almost certainly containing errors. Don't take my word for anything, I'm way fuzzy on this weekend. And I don't even drink, so I call it unfair.
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But, great weekend, for the Friday and Saturday parts. Great guests, good fun, extra cool for being smaller, even though I'm sure the organisers money would prefer more attendees. It was a good con, and I'm going to the next unless there are scheduling conflicts.
Cylons=people?
Sep. 25th, 2005 09:28 pmBeen thinking more about BSG
what *are* Cylons?
Buffybots with a better interface?
or Data, or Lore, or Andromeda?
Is being flesh and blood enough to make them people?
Does it matter?
from Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
Demosthenes's Hierarchy of Exclusion
"recognizes four orders of foreignness. The first is the otherlander, or utlanning, the stranger that we recognize as being a human of our world, but of another city or country. The second is the framling [...] This is the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another world. The third is the ramen, the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another species. The fourth is the true alien, the varelse, which includes all the animals, for with them no conversation is possible. They live, but we cannot guess what purposes or causes make them act. They might be intelligent, they might be self-aware, but we cannot know it."
Last there is "djur, the dire beast, that comes in the night with slavering jaws."
which are the Cylons?
by the way they're being treated, beasts
but as far as the viewer can see?
conclusion from Speaker:
"The difference between raman and varelse is not in the creature judged, but in the creature judging."
Some characters on BSG are treating the 'toasters' different because Cylons are not people.
Should be treating them right because they are.
(the people doing the treating should be doing it right because they are people. there's probably a snappy, memorable, yet not so ambiguous way to phrase that. but I can barely keep my eyes open right now I'm that tired, so I'll just say sod it and post.)
what *are* Cylons?
Buffybots with a better interface?
or Data, or Lore, or Andromeda?
Is being flesh and blood enough to make them people?
Does it matter?
from Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
Demosthenes's Hierarchy of Exclusion
"recognizes four orders of foreignness. The first is the otherlander, or utlanning, the stranger that we recognize as being a human of our world, but of another city or country. The second is the framling [...] This is the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another world. The third is the ramen, the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another species. The fourth is the true alien, the varelse, which includes all the animals, for with them no conversation is possible. They live, but we cannot guess what purposes or causes make them act. They might be intelligent, they might be self-aware, but we cannot know it."
Last there is "djur, the dire beast, that comes in the night with slavering jaws."
which are the Cylons?
by the way they're being treated, beasts
but as far as the viewer can see?
conclusion from Speaker:
"The difference between raman and varelse is not in the creature judged, but in the creature judging."
Some characters on BSG are treating the 'toasters' different because Cylons are not people.
Should be treating them right because they are.
(the people doing the treating should be doing it right because they are people. there's probably a snappy, memorable, yet not so ambiguous way to phrase that. but I can barely keep my eyes open right now I'm that tired, so I'll just say sod it and post.)
Battlestar Galactica
Aug. 21st, 2005 12:57 amBSG 2-05 ( Read more... )
Outside the cut I will say that I found Starbuck entirely sufficiently well rounded enough from first season. Her strengths and weaknesses were the same - Outside the box is where she lives. Completely nuts and completely competent at once. Nothing needed to be added to that. *This* sure as *hell* didn't need to be added to that.
Right now, I am very annoyed. I stopped the episode in the middle for significant time and I very nearly didn't finish watching but the spoilers made it sound like the episode pulled itself together again. But no, I still hated it by the end.
I don't even know if I'm overreacting. I just hated it.
Outside the cut I will say that I found Starbuck entirely sufficiently well rounded enough from first season. Her strengths and weaknesses were the same - Outside the box is where she lives. Completely nuts and completely competent at once. Nothing needed to be added to that. *This* sure as *hell* didn't need to be added to that.
Right now, I am very annoyed. I stopped the episode in the middle for significant time and I very nearly didn't finish watching but the spoilers made it sound like the episode pulled itself together again. But no, I still hated it by the end.
I don't even know if I'm overreacting. I just hated it.
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Jul. 29th, 2005 04:37 amHave watched all the deleted scenes on season 1 BSG DVDs
on the whole, I'm glad they were deleted
like actively glad
most of them removed the sledgehammers
(I have a tendency to make my point with a sledgehammer. I have to take them out after the first draft and rely on the audience to be smart enough to catch stuff.)
some of them removed the annoying kid (yaaay!)
Water in particular was *much* more subtle and therefore much better after the deletions. Red on hands is too much, water as an indicator of disaster and life both at once was much more subtle. Because blood is also both at once, depending on where it is, and that was true of the water too.
removal of technobabble, also of the good
the one and only scene I would have preferred back in is when Chief Tyrol gets Socinus out of the brig. Because without that it looks like a continuity error when he turns up on Kobol, but with that you realise it is the personal responsibility of the Chief, who has called those people specifically children, and his, and they risked themselves for him. Twists the emotion tighter on what otherwise can be missed.
Also I'm realising an extra way actors can end up with a different idea of their characters than viewers, because the actors had all those hammers to act, they might not even be aware which bits ended up canon in the end, so they get lines where we get inference. Easy to end up very different.
on the whole, I'm glad they were deleted
like actively glad
most of them removed the sledgehammers
(I have a tendency to make my point with a sledgehammer. I have to take them out after the first draft and rely on the audience to be smart enough to catch stuff.)
some of them removed the annoying kid (yaaay!)
Water in particular was *much* more subtle and therefore much better after the deletions. Red on hands is too much, water as an indicator of disaster and life both at once was much more subtle. Because blood is also both at once, depending on where it is, and that was true of the water too.
removal of technobabble, also of the good
the one and only scene I would have preferred back in is when Chief Tyrol gets Socinus out of the brig. Because without that it looks like a continuity error when he turns up on Kobol, but with that you realise it is the personal responsibility of the Chief, who has called those people specifically children, and his, and they risked themselves for him. Twists the emotion tighter on what otherwise can be missed.
Also I'm realising an extra way actors can end up with a different idea of their characters than viewers, because the actors had all those hammers to act, they might not even be aware which bits ended up canon in the end, so they get lines where we get inference. Easy to end up very different.
BSG season 2
Jul. 28th, 2005 01:55 pmHave watched episode 1
still very, very good
am up to credits on episode 2
you know I said this series was actually horror?
yup.
has occured to me, vampires aren't the only ones with unaging problems - last season took like a few weeks of their time and a year of ours. At that ration the actors are going to get really out of step.
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I still like this show a lot.
still very, very good
am up to credits on episode 2
you know I said this series was actually horror?
yup.
has occured to me, vampires aren't the only ones with unaging problems - last season took like a few weeks of their time and a year of ours. At that ration the actors are going to get really out of step.
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I still like this show a lot.
Battlestar Galactica
Jul. 28th, 2005 12:13 pmThe subtitles on the penultimate episode of BSG season 1 are a realy mess. Phoenetic renderings of terms that have had a different spelling in all the other subtitles. Someone who obviously hasn't understood plot or context guessing at what people are saying. Is really rather annoying.
/complain
still pretty
The end of season one still blows me away. I mean the first time I watched it, not knowing what was coming, I was incoherent for weeks. And that was when I met the BSG guys at a con, so, er, not my best showing there. But this time, it still hit me almost like a physical blow. I mean I jumped like it had actually hit me. And just the layers of sad and bad and *horror* in that scene... This show is psychologically complex in ways that make me pretty much worship it.
And it isn't all setup, it pays off plenty.
And now I'm going to start watching season 2, and I find myself vaguely scared, because if I stop here its perfect...
/complain
still pretty
The end of season one still blows me away. I mean the first time I watched it, not knowing what was coming, I was incoherent for weeks. And that was when I met the BSG guys at a con, so, er, not my best showing there. But this time, it still hit me almost like a physical blow. I mean I jumped like it had actually hit me. And just the layers of sad and bad and *horror* in that scene... This show is psychologically complex in ways that make me pretty much worship it.
And it isn't all setup, it pays off plenty.
And now I'm going to start watching season 2, and I find myself vaguely scared, because if I stop here its perfect...
(no subject)
Jul. 24th, 2005 10:13 pmwhen already feeling tearful
the Battlestar Galactica miniseries
with the whole end of the world
and venting into space bit
is really not the thing to watch
On the other hand, Apollo and Starbuck still pretty
the Battlestar Galactica miniseries
with the whole end of the world
and venting into space bit
is really not the thing to watch
On the other hand, Apollo and Starbuck still pretty
new Starbuck/Apollo as slash
Mar. 29th, 2005 07:49 pmThere is talking here
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hederahelix said Starbuck is the character in the Starbuck/Apollo pairing who owns her own sexuality. Apollo seems much less comfortable with his, and that's an inversion of what we're used to as thinking of normative in our society. So one inversion, and everyone's ready to call them slash, which I think is a bit rash.
Now I don't know the person who writes that journal or that lj user so I don't want to reply there, but that *isn't* why I read that relationship as slashy. What I mean is I read both characters as kinda queer and their relationship as having all the good stuff I'm looking for in a slash relationship - something closer to equality, working partners, friendship, connections that have nothing to do with sex or dating, the whole thing with mixed messages and confused feelings. And yes, there is no particular reason why most of that would be only in same sex relationships, but that is the stuff I look for in slash fic with m/m only being where I find it prettiest. Intense emotional and powerful relationships.
Why I read them queer? ( Read more... ) I just read them both as slightly off the norm, which makes them way more attractive to me.
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hederahelix said Starbuck is the character in the Starbuck/Apollo pairing who owns her own sexuality. Apollo seems much less comfortable with his, and that's an inversion of what we're used to as thinking of normative in our society. So one inversion, and everyone's ready to call them slash, which I think is a bit rash.Now I don't know the person who writes that journal or that lj user so I don't want to reply there, but that *isn't* why I read that relationship as slashy. What I mean is I read both characters as kinda queer and their relationship as having all the good stuff I'm looking for in a slash relationship - something closer to equality, working partners, friendship, connections that have nothing to do with sex or dating, the whole thing with mixed messages and confused feelings. And yes, there is no particular reason why most of that would be only in same sex relationships, but that is the stuff I look for in slash fic with m/m only being where I find it prettiest. Intense emotional and powerful relationships.
Why I read them queer? ( Read more... ) I just read them both as slightly off the norm, which makes them way more attractive to me.
Battlestar Galactica
Feb. 17th, 2005 10:47 pmI just watched the last two BSG, 'Kobol's last gleaming'.
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love love love love love this show. Seriously. This is amazing.
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love love love love love this show. Seriously. This is amazing.
