Thor 2: The Dark World
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beccaelizabethTurned out that the evening thing I was going to go to was cancelled, which I found out approximately one minute before I was leaving the house to go to it, when mum was already on her way over to help with the goings. So I asked if she wanted to go see Thor instead.
:-D :-D :-D
Important note I thought people would know by now: Stay until the very end of the credits. The proper end. When they are all done. Only mum and I did out of the screen we went to. It is made of win.
SPOILERS AND SQUEE
I'm sure there's people who wouldn't mind skipping out before the big kiss, but otherwise Jane is waiting. and they said it was two years since last time she met Thor. So in the main film Thor says he's going back to her, but they end with a whole other story thread, and then in the middle of the credits there's a probably Guardians of the Galaxy thing that made my eyes go big and me go Ooooh, and then right at the very end when all the words happened there's big romance kiss :-)
And also big jotunheim guard-monster, chasing pigeons. Which is hilarious. I left all giggling.
Sooooo.... You know what, I'm going to put a second spoiler cut in here. Because you seriously do not want to be spoilered for this. Oh, I'll say the not-squee thing first, and then come back and say the squee things, and you might want to see:
thing that really does annoy me and would have spoiled the movie rather had I believed it at the time: They fridge Frigga. Thor and Loki's mother dies nobly protecting Jane. Which, okay, as deaths go, very Asgard, but, they killed her to motivate the boys. I have had it up to here with that. Get a new plot hook, for goodness sake. They endanger Thor's girlfriend and kill Thor's mum and really? This was the most original you could get? I didn't really react to it in the movie neither because she had just been shown to be the uber illusionist, undoubtedly who Loki learned from, and she'd totally tricked the bad guys just a few seconds before, so I was waiting for it to be another trick. Or at least for one of Thor or Odin to call for healers and get her taken to the rather nifty healing room we'd only just been shown. Seriously, Earth medics might have had a chance with a blade in the back, having the men hang around grieving just made me want to yell at them.
So that thing you might be annoyed about. I didn't like that thing.
All the other thing though, the rest is squee. Don't read it unless you have seen it too. Seriously.
Loki! Loki is twisty best. He's not nice to his mum, though, that's not best. She gave him books. I think they were spell books to help with the illusion magic, because he was very best at it this time. Loki in Avengers wasn't very tricksy at all. Loki in this, you never know what you just saw. Got to love it.
... well, got to sort of suspend reaction/emotion until you get to the end of the film, because you already know he's tricksy, but that doesn't mean that particular bit was a trick.
This was pretty much a Loki movie.
:-D
... he's not safe, but he is very fun to watch.
Thor was a bit tricksy this time too. Is good. He is learning. He made a plan that looked a lot like his usual direct approach plan so was perfectly plausible plan, and then he jumped out of it sideways. Also he could see through Loki's illusions, possibly, one time. Which is an improvement on always fall for it.
... Loki turned Thor into Sif. Sif with Thor voice = LOL. Thor's complete non-reaction because he could fight just as well like that = win.
Heimdall was cool too. There was a whole thing where he couldn't see the enemy, but that didn't stop him noticing them. He is best at his job.
Asgardian engineering though does not impress. There's a shield, which is very pretty and shiny and all but takes aaaaaages to shields-up, and then one guy punches one thing and oops, no more shield any more. And no timetable for repair, just oh noes we're defenceless. Have they never heard of redundancy? Spare parts? How about having more than one target? Oh, wait, that's redundancy again from a different angle. They're very shiny and all, but I increasingly get the feeling they fight with swords and suchlike because they've forgotten how it all works. Doesn't seem logical, but neither does an entire planetary defence system getting punched out.
Darcy was fun. SHIELD not answering her seems... how small is SHIELD? Do they not have an alert system, like, hi, she uses keywords in his voicemail, possibly we could notice? Closely monitoring Selvig would make a whole lot of sense, especially if he don't any more.
... Selvig at Stonehenge = win. *facepalm* LOLs. And, okay, it's laughing at the person with the mental health difficulties, but public nudity is always funny. I'm a crazy person and I reckon. Even if it's only funny after.
Makes me slightly worried about Clint though. Selvig was all 'I had a god in my head', and he got all messed up. He had to deal with it for longer, but still, plenty of scope for Clint to be unwell too.
I like that Selvig was basically 100% right, just also naked. Naked people are seldom listened to. It's awkward.
(I wouldn't like it if he was crazy for the LOL and wasn't right. This was more of a crazy not stupid. I can live with that.)
I liked how he decided to get better because the world was crazier than him. :-D
I'm not sure how I feel about how Jane got used this time. I mean, last movie the science was hers, the tech was hers, she is the coolest brain. But not exactly central to the action/solutions. This movie the tech and science starts off as Selvigs, Jane is busy being ill a lot in the middle, and then she improves what Selvig made and makes it dance and pretty much saves the day a lot. But it felt like the balance was odd. Like, the romance was the wrapper, so it starts with the dating and ends with the kissing, and the science was the next layer in, but right in the middle she's ill and getting carried around like a parcel or something. I didn't like that bit. Also there's a bit where Thor and Loki are trying to fly a ship that is alien to both of them, and a bit epic failing at it, and I was totally waiting for Jane to take a look at it and figure it out and, you know, Do Science, but she did fainting instead. I was unimpressed.
The Warriors Three kind of have a couple lines each. more than a couple? Not much. Sif also. They do stuff, but Hogun got dropped off at home which felt odd. Did let them have someone we vaguely recognise for when they do the 'oh noes, all the realms in peril!' bits at the end.
Odin is a thoroughly unpleasant guy and thinks he's the boss of everyone in all the realms. He does say though that they are not gods. Like, flat out states that they're not gods and they live and die like anyone. Which is interesting, given how others react. But Loki said he was out there being a god at people, and Odin says they're not gods. I know Loki did a lot of bad stuff, but Odin tells him he was destined to die at birth, and the only reason he isn't being executed on the spot is his mother. What father tells his son that? And then he compares Jane to a goat. And doesn't want Thor getting her medical assistance because she's only human and they die anyway. And basically the film kind of goes out of its way to make you not like him one little bit.
Loki, it wants you to like. Things that actually definitely happened: He saved Jane at risk of his own life and got saved by Thor in return. And then saved Thor again. By being super sneaky.
And then had death scene in brother's arms. All sad :-(
... yeeeeeah, er, wasn't tricked for an instant, so I not very sad actually. There was a whole section when Thor got him out of his cell where Loki is Being People and showing off the illusion skills (and being very funny). And their whole plan depended on Loki's illusions kicking all the arse. And also the thing where nobody ever knows what side Loki is on, except it's probably sideways of where you expect him to be. So when it shows us him dying heroically of something he walked into? I was counting down in my head. But in a good way. Because Loki is tricksier than Thor for always. :-D
The bit right at the very end though? I had not anticipated. I made a grin big like Loki. I don't have a Loki smiley but it's a very big grin. Tricks!
... tricks that shouldn't work in a well run world. but nothing we've seen of Asgard says it is in fact a well run world. :-p
Loki feels though: He does one bit of casual shit stirring in prison, probably just to see what happens, and also because eternity with no possibility of parole and no sign his father or brother even think of him is not conducive to good behaviour. And how does it work out? Rather larger consequences than he was likely to have anticipated. Because that happens to trickster. Their own chaos has a tendency to get ahead of them. So the one thing he's guaranteed to care about happens.
... and I'm still annoyed about that, because seriously writers, you wouldn't do it on TV if you were aiming for 100 episodes... no, wait, some shows do it in the opening credits and have in excess of 100... I just mean it's cheap to treat a character that way, and unfunny how it always turns out to be a lady that gets treated so.
This was Loki's movie. Everyone got stuff to do and being a hero moments, and everyone ends up ahead actually, nicely arranged, except for the dead ones. But Loki had all the most fun stuff to do.
And also the rest of Asgard couldn't do the thing without him but he managed to do quite a lot of thing without the rest of them. So, you know, very ahead.
And I think it sets us up to find him sympathetic and to like his ending? Which, okay, his fans need little encouragement for, but... methinks Thor is going to be a teensy upset?
Thor started out not wanting to be King and wanting to see Jane and not wanting to date Sif even though his father wanted him to. So he ends up still the same place he started, defending not ruling, and then goes to Jane. So he wins by his priorities.
It's just that at some point he's going to notice what he's lost.
Also, the mid credits scene... whose twist is that? Whose idea? Because it's different if Sif and Volstagg decided to do it, or Thor sent them, or they were sent from the throne.
I like how many possibilities open up from a tiny scene.
I liked this movie. I walked out of it with a :-D which survived discovering we had 55 minutes to wait for the bus, and then survived McDonalds, which got our order wrong and also has fries with an odd texture that I gave up on, and I wouldn't eat there but mum wanted to and couldn't think of another food place at that time of night. But it was loud and there were alarms going off and it was eroding my :-D so we left with still twenty minutes at the bus station.
We got home at 10pm. Started at 1630. Long day is long.
I like daytime movies better, but I'm glad we went.
:-D :-D :-D
Important note I thought people would know by now: Stay until the very end of the credits. The proper end. When they are all done. Only mum and I did out of the screen we went to. It is made of win.
SPOILERS AND SQUEE
I'm sure there's people who wouldn't mind skipping out before the big kiss, but otherwise Jane is waiting. and they said it was two years since last time she met Thor. So in the main film Thor says he's going back to her, but they end with a whole other story thread, and then in the middle of the credits there's a probably Guardians of the Galaxy thing that made my eyes go big and me go Ooooh, and then right at the very end when all the words happened there's big romance kiss :-)
And also big jotunheim guard-monster, chasing pigeons. Which is hilarious. I left all giggling.
Sooooo.... You know what, I'm going to put a second spoiler cut in here. Because you seriously do not want to be spoilered for this. Oh, I'll say the not-squee thing first, and then come back and say the squee things, and you might want to see:
thing that really does annoy me and would have spoiled the movie rather had I believed it at the time: They fridge Frigga. Thor and Loki's mother dies nobly protecting Jane. Which, okay, as deaths go, very Asgard, but, they killed her to motivate the boys. I have had it up to here with that. Get a new plot hook, for goodness sake. They endanger Thor's girlfriend and kill Thor's mum and really? This was the most original you could get? I didn't really react to it in the movie neither because she had just been shown to be the uber illusionist, undoubtedly who Loki learned from, and she'd totally tricked the bad guys just a few seconds before, so I was waiting for it to be another trick. Or at least for one of Thor or Odin to call for healers and get her taken to the rather nifty healing room we'd only just been shown. Seriously, Earth medics might have had a chance with a blade in the back, having the men hang around grieving just made me want to yell at them.
So that thing you might be annoyed about. I didn't like that thing.
All the other thing though, the rest is squee. Don't read it unless you have seen it too. Seriously.
Loki! Loki is twisty best. He's not nice to his mum, though, that's not best. She gave him books. I think they were spell books to help with the illusion magic, because he was very best at it this time. Loki in Avengers wasn't very tricksy at all. Loki in this, you never know what you just saw. Got to love it.
... well, got to sort of suspend reaction/emotion until you get to the end of the film, because you already know he's tricksy, but that doesn't mean that particular bit was a trick.
This was pretty much a Loki movie.
:-D
... he's not safe, but he is very fun to watch.
Thor was a bit tricksy this time too. Is good. He is learning. He made a plan that looked a lot like his usual direct approach plan so was perfectly plausible plan, and then he jumped out of it sideways. Also he could see through Loki's illusions, possibly, one time. Which is an improvement on always fall for it.
... Loki turned Thor into Sif. Sif with Thor voice = LOL. Thor's complete non-reaction because he could fight just as well like that = win.
Heimdall was cool too. There was a whole thing where he couldn't see the enemy, but that didn't stop him noticing them. He is best at his job.
Asgardian engineering though does not impress. There's a shield, which is very pretty and shiny and all but takes aaaaaages to shields-up, and then one guy punches one thing and oops, no more shield any more. And no timetable for repair, just oh noes we're defenceless. Have they never heard of redundancy? Spare parts? How about having more than one target? Oh, wait, that's redundancy again from a different angle. They're very shiny and all, but I increasingly get the feeling they fight with swords and suchlike because they've forgotten how it all works. Doesn't seem logical, but neither does an entire planetary defence system getting punched out.
Darcy was fun. SHIELD not answering her seems... how small is SHIELD? Do they not have an alert system, like, hi, she uses keywords in his voicemail, possibly we could notice? Closely monitoring Selvig would make a whole lot of sense, especially if he don't any more.
... Selvig at Stonehenge = win. *facepalm* LOLs. And, okay, it's laughing at the person with the mental health difficulties, but public nudity is always funny. I'm a crazy person and I reckon. Even if it's only funny after.
Makes me slightly worried about Clint though. Selvig was all 'I had a god in my head', and he got all messed up. He had to deal with it for longer, but still, plenty of scope for Clint to be unwell too.
I like that Selvig was basically 100% right, just also naked. Naked people are seldom listened to. It's awkward.
(I wouldn't like it if he was crazy for the LOL and wasn't right. This was more of a crazy not stupid. I can live with that.)
I liked how he decided to get better because the world was crazier than him. :-D
I'm not sure how I feel about how Jane got used this time. I mean, last movie the science was hers, the tech was hers, she is the coolest brain. But not exactly central to the action/solutions. This movie the tech and science starts off as Selvigs, Jane is busy being ill a lot in the middle, and then she improves what Selvig made and makes it dance and pretty much saves the day a lot. But it felt like the balance was odd. Like, the romance was the wrapper, so it starts with the dating and ends with the kissing, and the science was the next layer in, but right in the middle she's ill and getting carried around like a parcel or something. I didn't like that bit. Also there's a bit where Thor and Loki are trying to fly a ship that is alien to both of them, and a bit epic failing at it, and I was totally waiting for Jane to take a look at it and figure it out and, you know, Do Science, but she did fainting instead. I was unimpressed.
The Warriors Three kind of have a couple lines each. more than a couple? Not much. Sif also. They do stuff, but Hogun got dropped off at home which felt odd. Did let them have someone we vaguely recognise for when they do the 'oh noes, all the realms in peril!' bits at the end.
Odin is a thoroughly unpleasant guy and thinks he's the boss of everyone in all the realms. He does say though that they are not gods. Like, flat out states that they're not gods and they live and die like anyone. Which is interesting, given how others react. But Loki said he was out there being a god at people, and Odin says they're not gods. I know Loki did a lot of bad stuff, but Odin tells him he was destined to die at birth, and the only reason he isn't being executed on the spot is his mother. What father tells his son that? And then he compares Jane to a goat. And doesn't want Thor getting her medical assistance because she's only human and they die anyway. And basically the film kind of goes out of its way to make you not like him one little bit.
Loki, it wants you to like. Things that actually definitely happened: He saved Jane at risk of his own life and got saved by Thor in return. And then saved Thor again. By being super sneaky.
And then had death scene in brother's arms. All sad :-(
... yeeeeeah, er, wasn't tricked for an instant, so I not very sad actually. There was a whole section when Thor got him out of his cell where Loki is Being People and showing off the illusion skills (and being very funny). And their whole plan depended on Loki's illusions kicking all the arse. And also the thing where nobody ever knows what side Loki is on, except it's probably sideways of where you expect him to be. So when it shows us him dying heroically of something he walked into? I was counting down in my head. But in a good way. Because Loki is tricksier than Thor for always. :-D
The bit right at the very end though? I had not anticipated. I made a grin big like Loki. I don't have a Loki smiley but it's a very big grin. Tricks!
... tricks that shouldn't work in a well run world. but nothing we've seen of Asgard says it is in fact a well run world. :-p
Loki feels though: He does one bit of casual shit stirring in prison, probably just to see what happens, and also because eternity with no possibility of parole and no sign his father or brother even think of him is not conducive to good behaviour. And how does it work out? Rather larger consequences than he was likely to have anticipated. Because that happens to trickster. Their own chaos has a tendency to get ahead of them. So the one thing he's guaranteed to care about happens.
... and I'm still annoyed about that, because seriously writers, you wouldn't do it on TV if you were aiming for 100 episodes... no, wait, some shows do it in the opening credits and have in excess of 100... I just mean it's cheap to treat a character that way, and unfunny how it always turns out to be a lady that gets treated so.
This was Loki's movie. Everyone got stuff to do and being a hero moments, and everyone ends up ahead actually, nicely arranged, except for the dead ones. But Loki had all the most fun stuff to do.
And also the rest of Asgard couldn't do the thing without him but he managed to do quite a lot of thing without the rest of them. So, you know, very ahead.
And I think it sets us up to find him sympathetic and to like his ending? Which, okay, his fans need little encouragement for, but... methinks Thor is going to be a teensy upset?
Thor started out not wanting to be King and wanting to see Jane and not wanting to date Sif even though his father wanted him to. So he ends up still the same place he started, defending not ruling, and then goes to Jane. So he wins by his priorities.
It's just that at some point he's going to notice what he's lost.
Also, the mid credits scene... whose twist is that? Whose idea? Because it's different if Sif and Volstagg decided to do it, or Thor sent them, or they were sent from the throne.
I like how many possibilities open up from a tiny scene.
I liked this movie. I walked out of it with a :-D which survived discovering we had 55 minutes to wait for the bus, and then survived McDonalds, which got our order wrong and also has fries with an odd texture that I gave up on, and I wouldn't eat there but mum wanted to and couldn't think of another food place at that time of night. But it was loud and there were alarms going off and it was eroding my :-D so we left with still twenty minutes at the bus station.
We got home at 10pm. Started at 1630. Long day is long.
I like daytime movies better, but I'm glad we went.
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Date: 2013-11-01 10:58 am (UTC)http://such-heights.dreamwidth.org/431891.html
yes, race stuff made me :-/ , but yes, women talked to each other.
nobody likes what they did to Thor's mum. Unfortunately writers will take that as them winning at influencing our emotional reactions, rather than them losing big time at the whole cliche kill.
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Date: 2013-11-03 07:19 pm (UTC)Re "who Loki learned from" - did she at least get any good parenting scenes? Lines? Brief glances?
The body switch sounds interesting.
Doesn't seem logical, but neither does an entire planetary defence system getting punched out.
Oh actual lol.
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Date: 2013-11-07 07:16 pm (UTC)parenting scenes? She was nice to him and brought him books, he was whiny about Odin's not his dad, she asked if that meant she wasn't his mum either, he said yes and was pouty, she said something about him not knowing himself very well. I think. Basically he was a brat and that turned out to be the last time they'd ever talk, because obviously that's more angsty and motivating than having a good relationship with someone.
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Date: 2013-11-07 08:07 pm (UTC)