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[beccaelizabeth]

I watched a bunch more of Agents of SHIELD season three
and this whole 'HYDRA is secretly older than nazis' bit is just... ridiculously stupid.
I mean, one, Hydra is nazis, everyone knows it, stop pissing about.
Two, tracing the ram skull symbol as proof?
Ignoring the bazillion lineages of vaguely ram skull shaped whatsits, on account of rams and skulls being a Thing in many places?
Ignoring that the most stylised version looks as much like a Watcher symbol as anything (thanks, ugh)
Their proof of connection is a really bad drawing in a book maybe might look like a decayed Hydra symbol?
Dude, what doesn't?

So I think I remember why I gave up
aside from the racism that is also why I gave up.

Melinda May is not a whole show on her own and they keep messing with her via romance instead of letting her be awesome.

And Ward is just a dick. Him being important is boring.

So, yeah, think I remember why I stopped bothering
ugh.


But I have the whole box set and I've met me so I know I'll watch it eventually.

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[baronjanus]

okay so I don't actually watch this, stopped a long time now, but just for the first bit, gotta say, "nazis" are much older than nazis? in the sense that this particular brand of hatred started looohoooohhhng before the particular german party that managed it somewhat more effectively than its predecessors. using a particular older culture symbol is meh, but expected of any show. but this attitude didn't start in 1933.

[beccaelizabeth]

hate is old, is true, but the thing with Hydra in the tv show is they're saying they're secretly all about bringing a particular evil Inhuman back to earth to dominate the planet. So as far as I've seen so far they're not saying hate is really old, they're saying Hydra is actually not about hate that way, just about this alien. like their reason for existing is still global domination, but just, by putting this one alien in charge.

it's deeply stupid so I might not be saying it very good.

if they were saying Hydra is old hate that the nazis agreed with, sure, that's a story. but they seem to be trying to strip the politics off and just make them... weird cultists waiting for their tentacle dude.

I don't know.

I don't like it.

[baronjanus]

weird cultists waiting for their tentacle dude

ohhh I see

well
without any knowledge, I'd try to bridge it by saying they were waiting around for their alien, but in the meantime attracted the type of crowd that (had always existed and) would later join the nazis, and then the continued/"neo" nazis, simply by nature of having a lot of unpleasantness in common

It's like - not comparing, just, certain brands of christianity tend to attract people who are very socially conservative; one does not necessitate the other, but there's a lot of correlation because of goals and attitudes. and then you end up with overlapping groups.

now I'm interested 1. in teh tentacle dude and 2. in Red Skull the wide-eyed newbie, entering a whole new group of people who already have their system in place, because that's ... well. different ;)

Not interested enough to actually watch, mind.