Legends of Tomorrow 2-17 Aruba
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beccaelizabethThat was a mess.
That was a caricature of Snart. I've really been looking for times he might pull the trigger, and in the middle of battle on different sides does fit, but they've had their chances before and after this and just never did that, so why now? Answer, he's not a people, he's a sketch of a choice.
"I don't have a partner, I have a team." Might fit the 'you're out you're out' rule, but we've seen them try that... but if Len is from before he went to get Mick he also hasn't made the choices he did over the painting.
Why did they want to show us that? They killed everyone for shock value and undid it and what's the point? And partner betrayal? They did that season one when they'd actually set it up. This time was just... a mess.
And why react that emphatically about Dark? Snart didn't kill Mick even when defending someone he gave a damn about. He barely knows Dark.
If Len actually believes the Spear is his only way to survive, Mick's non cooperation means Len's life is in danger. If we ignore the way every other time that happened he epic did not pull the trigger... well then we have a different character, but one with a survival motive.
Teensy problem, what made him a believer?
What made any of them.
If I want to salvage this thing, I still say mind control explains all the ooc.
But I don't really want to salvage it. I don't know why the writers wanted to do this. Why make Mick's partner into this?
Why have the crew treat Mick like they did, like they *still are* right at the end, and have Mick choose them?
Martin is really rude and for no reason.
There were other plot threads. Nate and Amaya is hard to care about when Nate is being a jerk and they keep framing it as Nate's story when it is clearly Amaya's. His last words being telling himself not to be a douche is... fitting. But I'm not letting go that time he left Mick hanging, very nearly literally, just to have sex. After that I don't really want him to sort his love life out.
Also, that feeling you get seeing someone die, that isn't love. Legends has done that repeatedly, but it is wrong. Love is more of an ongoing doing, the other thing is grief.
Speaking of, Sara and Laurel... that was a really weirdly paced story. I mean if that was the scene they were building up to, kicking Dark's ass, walking away from vengeance, and letting Laurel go? That was a weirdly paced *season*. We haven't seen enough of Sara's emotional or decision making processes. So it felt lumpy and out of nowhere. Also like she hadn't been doing grief, just vengeance, and it wasn't about missing her sister, just hating Dark. So okay, breakthrough non vengeance, letting the power go.
Still. Didn't feel well set up to me.
Sara taking up the mantle of Captain and Rip being all sadfaced about it because he can't team so he leaves? Yeah, but. Sara didn't see to the team's needs any better than Rip did, she just gives orders. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary, but. Rip is just being self pitying and flouncing cause he can't be central. A solid could do netter on the whole story.
Sara thinking she's too dark to have the Spear's power would make more sense if she'd been dark this year. But okay, the compare contrast is meant to be the point. Not going to lose her soul again.
... characterising everything since the ship sank as suffering she, personally, has been through? Does not make me like her. A lot of stuff happened to other people. Also, assassin implies she killed people. Doesn't it? Like, wouldn't she want to fix that?
But okay, she depowers the Spear.
And does what I wondered why nobody did in 2017, lets the black costumed zombie flash out of the box.
... I know Eobard kills, trashes time, and was going to erase them all from existence. But being erased from existence is still actually a problem, not a solution. More injury to time, on top of everything he's already done.
"We broke Time" is a pretty good cliffhanger. Dinosaurs in Los Angeles. Exactly what they were warned of, finally happening.
Pity that whole 'you can't meet yourself' rule has never, ever, applied to a Flash.
Internal consistency, what is that?
:eyeroll:
So after that season I'm a bit borderline on if I like the show. I like Mick, and how much meaty emotional story he's been getting. But I don't like what happened to his partner, or how they mess us around with all the signs and signifiers of a love relationship, the ring, the saying love you, and then just hand us that as an ending. They retcon his whole relationship to be something we're meant to cheer him walking away from. I don't see why they want to do that. The end of last season gave us a problem of Mick being sad, but making like he shouldn't have been is not a solution I'm willing to swallow.
Still, Mick says Leonard becomes a better man. He still believes in them. After all that.
Feels.
There's potential plot bunny in how they left him. The memory erasing flashy thing is just begging for 'left stuff in their subconscious', if the Spear can't even erase memory completely. Although Rip explicitly said there was no memory erasing flashy thing, last time they had to use pills, can they not keep their own made up science continuity straight?
... also, I know the Doomworld version of STAR labs looked ridiculous, but teensy tiny error on which building the waverider crashed out of, yesno?
The first season had a pretty good plot made of closed time loop.
... although logically the Hawks could never have killed Savage in their own past without making themselves not be born, but, they didn't, so not noticing that was on Rip and part of the cunning predestination plan.
But the whole first season was about breaking away from predestination and building better lives.
Second season is about keeping everything the same while team evil tries to save their families and their own lives.
Why were we meant to change sides on that issue?
So I am not sold on this show.
And the entire ethics of it depend on laws of time that just don't stay still to figure out.
But they do find new and interesting ways to break them, so hey, that could be interesting.
:eyeroll: *sigh*
I am looking forwards to the fanfic far more than to the next season.
That was a caricature of Snart. I've really been looking for times he might pull the trigger, and in the middle of battle on different sides does fit, but they've had their chances before and after this and just never did that, so why now? Answer, he's not a people, he's a sketch of a choice.
"I don't have a partner, I have a team." Might fit the 'you're out you're out' rule, but we've seen them try that... but if Len is from before he went to get Mick he also hasn't made the choices he did over the painting.
Why did they want to show us that? They killed everyone for shock value and undid it and what's the point? And partner betrayal? They did that season one when they'd actually set it up. This time was just... a mess.
And why react that emphatically about Dark? Snart didn't kill Mick even when defending someone he gave a damn about. He barely knows Dark.
If Len actually believes the Spear is his only way to survive, Mick's non cooperation means Len's life is in danger. If we ignore the way every other time that happened he epic did not pull the trigger... well then we have a different character, but one with a survival motive.
Teensy problem, what made him a believer?
What made any of them.
If I want to salvage this thing, I still say mind control explains all the ooc.
But I don't really want to salvage it. I don't know why the writers wanted to do this. Why make Mick's partner into this?
Why have the crew treat Mick like they did, like they *still are* right at the end, and have Mick choose them?
Martin is really rude and for no reason.
There were other plot threads. Nate and Amaya is hard to care about when Nate is being a jerk and they keep framing it as Nate's story when it is clearly Amaya's. His last words being telling himself not to be a douche is... fitting. But I'm not letting go that time he left Mick hanging, very nearly literally, just to have sex. After that I don't really want him to sort his love life out.
Also, that feeling you get seeing someone die, that isn't love. Legends has done that repeatedly, but it is wrong. Love is more of an ongoing doing, the other thing is grief.
Speaking of, Sara and Laurel... that was a really weirdly paced story. I mean if that was the scene they were building up to, kicking Dark's ass, walking away from vengeance, and letting Laurel go? That was a weirdly paced *season*. We haven't seen enough of Sara's emotional or decision making processes. So it felt lumpy and out of nowhere. Also like she hadn't been doing grief, just vengeance, and it wasn't about missing her sister, just hating Dark. So okay, breakthrough non vengeance, letting the power go.
Still. Didn't feel well set up to me.
Sara taking up the mantle of Captain and Rip being all sadfaced about it because he can't team so he leaves? Yeah, but. Sara didn't see to the team's needs any better than Rip did, she just gives orders. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary, but. Rip is just being self pitying and flouncing cause he can't be central. A solid could do netter on the whole story.
Sara thinking she's too dark to have the Spear's power would make more sense if she'd been dark this year. But okay, the compare contrast is meant to be the point. Not going to lose her soul again.
... characterising everything since the ship sank as suffering she, personally, has been through? Does not make me like her. A lot of stuff happened to other people. Also, assassin implies she killed people. Doesn't it? Like, wouldn't she want to fix that?
But okay, she depowers the Spear.
And does what I wondered why nobody did in 2017, lets the black costumed zombie flash out of the box.
... I know Eobard kills, trashes time, and was going to erase them all from existence. But being erased from existence is still actually a problem, not a solution. More injury to time, on top of everything he's already done.
"We broke Time" is a pretty good cliffhanger. Dinosaurs in Los Angeles. Exactly what they were warned of, finally happening.
Pity that whole 'you can't meet yourself' rule has never, ever, applied to a Flash.
Internal consistency, what is that?
:eyeroll:
So after that season I'm a bit borderline on if I like the show. I like Mick, and how much meaty emotional story he's been getting. But I don't like what happened to his partner, or how they mess us around with all the signs and signifiers of a love relationship, the ring, the saying love you, and then just hand us that as an ending. They retcon his whole relationship to be something we're meant to cheer him walking away from. I don't see why they want to do that. The end of last season gave us a problem of Mick being sad, but making like he shouldn't have been is not a solution I'm willing to swallow.
Still, Mick says Leonard becomes a better man. He still believes in them. After all that.
Feels.
There's potential plot bunny in how they left him. The memory erasing flashy thing is just begging for 'left stuff in their subconscious', if the Spear can't even erase memory completely. Although Rip explicitly said there was no memory erasing flashy thing, last time they had to use pills, can they not keep their own made up science continuity straight?
... also, I know the Doomworld version of STAR labs looked ridiculous, but teensy tiny error on which building the waverider crashed out of, yesno?
The first season had a pretty good plot made of closed time loop.
... although logically the Hawks could never have killed Savage in their own past without making themselves not be born, but, they didn't, so not noticing that was on Rip and part of the cunning predestination plan.
But the whole first season was about breaking away from predestination and building better lives.
Second season is about keeping everything the same while team evil tries to save their families and their own lives.
Why were we meant to change sides on that issue?
So I am not sold on this show.
And the entire ethics of it depend on laws of time that just don't stay still to figure out.
But they do find new and interesting ways to break them, so hey, that could be interesting.
:eyeroll: *sigh*
I am looking forwards to the fanfic far more than to the next season.