Rewatch 1-07
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beccaelizabethOkay, this is the one that annoyed me so much on a meta level I was thisclose to giving up on Torchwood. If 1-09 had been next I would have been out of there. But thankfully we got 1-08 instead, and I stayed all season.
On a meta level? This one isn't ever going to get less annoying.
But I have a half finished transcript that nobody else is picking up (does anyone else do transcripts? did I miss them?) so I have to rewatch it for that at least.
And... if I stay within the world of the show, I'm sure there's all kinds of interesting in there.
Plus it turns out to be almost the only time Tosh has a personality.
So, rewatch.
Starts with a scene from the guest character's point of view, much like Small Worlds.
Everything Changes, Day One and Ghost Machine all started with Gwen. Cyberwoman was with Ianto. Small Worlds with Estelle. Countrycide back to a Team moment. Now Greeks is with Mary.
I didn't see flashback woman and oddly focued on short skirt woman as same woman. Are we supposed to? Because if we do then we have 'OMG another immortal!' but then we can't be fooled the corpse is actually dead!whore.
... incidentally, why??? I mean, could it not be some random woman got too close to the shiny aliens? Noooo, Tosh has to hook up with a possessed whore. Is it that the whore part makes the possession okay? No. Because the soldier is Bad for thinking he can treat her any way he likes. Which would make alien using her body also Bad.
We never really get a sense of Mary+Alien the way we do with Carys.
So maybe the fakeout is impostor!immortal using dead face?
meh.
... I still have to look stuff up to see if it's really the same her.
... okay, in general, I'm mostly working on the transcript. Have so far noticed the emo tummy rats were definitely meant to be later in the episode - Tosh is looking up Philoctetes on paper, and both Tosh and Ianto have the next day's clothes on.
Also there's this for bizarre:
'Gives me an hour before Lisa gets back to dress up. I've got to be careful. She's started to notice her tights are getting baggy at the crotch.'
And I note: Lisa?
... also the guy is wearing a suit, and a purple shirt and tie.
... I am making no connections at all here. Nope. None. For it is too weird.
I just got as far as Jack on the phone, and realised again that there is a veeeeeery long stretch of this episode with no Jack in it. He's in the first scene at the building site, then he's absent until this scene. Which is important - we get these inside views of everyone; but not Jack.
And somehow we get character development for all of them because it is a Thing that we don't hear Jack.
It is also a Thing that Jack does the explanation about Philoctetes. I mean, this is clearly true, because they decided who would talk. But it's double true, because they wrenched continuity out of shape (she was going to look it up on paper) *and* had Tosh ignore that she is geek girl of google-fu *and* had it be a Clue that she says something to Jack that he'd find weird.
It also gives us that nice "pub quiz???" moment. Because we've seen her in a bar, but were it a pub quiz place? Jack doesn't seem to find it likely.
... all this is while Jack is on the phone on a call he initiated which he has to give his security code for. Not Toshiko's best timing, but Jack doesn't boot her out.
Jack has twin lamps that look the same shape as Tosh's bedroom, only white shades instead of her red ones.
His computer is off behind him, while his desk is covered in paper.
Also noted that when he mentions Philoctetes being stranded for years he looks at his watch - time! Stranded! Not an anvil!
... okay, I like it when I can claim subtlety.
*pause to tidy up HTML*
I do the transcripts in the HTML editor. If I could close tags reliably it would be much much quicker
... if the Rich Text editor didn't end up looking like arse it would probably be quicker too.
Continuity in this ep, as represented by clothes, is *deeply* buggered. She changes clothes in the middle of the day, or while walking from one side of the Hub to the other. I can't figure how many days it is meant to be, but I can be fairly sure some scenes changed which day they were meant to be in. Which irritates me no end. The clothes actually represent emotional stuff! How can they get all muddled like this!
It also helps explain how Tosh is so... swinging about so much. Because how can she stay all in a row if the scenes don't?
It's how my people communicate. It's how we've communicated for centuries. Speaking orally, using a pre-arranged and finite number of words, it's so archaic. And kind of gross to look at.
... The alien that visited Sarah Jane looked like the same people, and was a poet. Telepath poetry? No words? Or just words like we've been hearing. It just struck me, is all, telepathy doesn't seem like a words thing, unless Mary had to learn English before she could telepath it.
aaaaaaargh
bastard intercutting voiceover scene... and I love it to watch, because it doubles up the information, *but* to transcribe I have to make it clear when she's talking on her own picture and when she's talking over Jack and I don't know as I'm making it clear enough.
TOSHIKO: I can't stand it any more. The weight of it. The depravity. The fear... //It fills me up.
cuts to Jack staring out from the clock tower (time!)
Jack silhouette in the dark is "I can't forget the things I've seen"
I had hope. // I'd see something, // some little random act of kindness,
Jack sighs in the I'd see something
Jack answers phone on "we're frightened and we're callous"
... and I'm making it all about Jack when it's Jack-Tosh-Owen, but mostly Jack is the one gets words over the top of him.
Bugger, I've tried to transcribe it +images because it do change the meaning, but it just comes out a mess.
But Jack gets a lot of good words right there. For standing on roofs in the dark with a big clock behind.
It's... okay, I've watched it a half a dozen times trying to get the transcript right, I lack all distance to judge subtlety levels there.
Eating thing... that's two people in two episodes want to eat Tosh.
... I make no comment. None. Nothing about 'tasty' or, er, anything mouth related.
It gets absolutely crap the moment Mary asks to be taken to the Hub. After that the writing clunks. They stand there taking turns making speeches! She explains everything in detail with flashbacks! I'd red pen the lot if I was a beta reader. why why WHY? And it's not SF enough! Stealing the heart as a spare because hers just got shot would be *barely* SF - stealing hearts because she has none would work as metaphor. But to feed? No.
IANTO: 'Not again. Please, God, not again.'
I like that line because it isn't a question of what could he be flashing on, more like what couldn't he! It's "again" for
(a)girlfriend turns out not to be human
(b)girlfriend tries to kill people
(c)girlfriend tries to kill lover
(d)someone tries to kill Tosh
(e)someone has a knife to a throat
(f)someone is trying to eat someone
Which could all be called Torchwood being a tad repetitive, but also gives Ianto lots of room to be emo and disturbed about it all.
MARY: But not me. Whatever I've done, it doesn't change the way I feel about you. We have a connection, Toshiko, something real.
Okay, I *know* it ties in to domestic violence, I *know* the guy with the gun earlier is all Themey, but... FFS, *NO*. This is just creepy-sick.
And I *hate hate hate* that they did this with the lesbian relationship. Especially stacked with what they did with the sex alien.
Jack is kind of absent, and then kind of useless. I mean wipe tear and movie-walk is not in fact an answer.
... I so haven't rewatched this. I've done the transcript, but that's quite a different experience than watching for enjoyment. Yet I have absolutely no inclination to re-re-watch because I don't think it'll be fun. As well as being meta-annoying it's actually kind of crap. I mean, that last act turn around was just... dumb.
It had good elements, especially in the image/word combos, but it had a bad ending, which kind of trashes all the potentially-good. Add the meta-annoyance and the domestic violence thing and I think I can live without this one.
Ianto had emo tummy rats and "Not again". I have studied this. He also wore at least three different shirt/tie combinations. I have studied this too. All done.
Right then: transcript for 1-07 DONE.
I'm not sure how clear it is.
There's a bit I tried to make it clear which images went with which words, and I think I ballsed it up instead.
Someone check it?
But all the words have the right people attached now.
I really hope my essay is as close to done as I think it is, because this? Ate alllll my time tonight. I only meant to watch it! Watching takes an hour, tops! Not... well, many.
*sigh*
On a meta level? This one isn't ever going to get less annoying.
But I have a half finished transcript that nobody else is picking up (does anyone else do transcripts? did I miss them?) so I have to rewatch it for that at least.
And... if I stay within the world of the show, I'm sure there's all kinds of interesting in there.
Plus it turns out to be almost the only time Tosh has a personality.
So, rewatch.
Starts with a scene from the guest character's point of view, much like Small Worlds.
Everything Changes, Day One and Ghost Machine all started with Gwen. Cyberwoman was with Ianto. Small Worlds with Estelle. Countrycide back to a Team moment. Now Greeks is with Mary.
I didn't see flashback woman and oddly focued on short skirt woman as same woman. Are we supposed to? Because if we do then we have 'OMG another immortal!' but then we can't be fooled the corpse is actually dead!whore.
... incidentally, why??? I mean, could it not be some random woman got too close to the shiny aliens? Noooo, Tosh has to hook up with a possessed whore. Is it that the whore part makes the possession okay? No. Because the soldier is Bad for thinking he can treat her any way he likes. Which would make alien using her body also Bad.
We never really get a sense of Mary+Alien the way we do with Carys.
So maybe the fakeout is impostor!immortal using dead face?
meh.
... I still have to look stuff up to see if it's really the same her.
... okay, in general, I'm mostly working on the transcript. Have so far noticed the emo tummy rats were definitely meant to be later in the episode - Tosh is looking up Philoctetes on paper, and both Tosh and Ianto have the next day's clothes on.
Also there's this for bizarre:
'Gives me an hour before Lisa gets back to dress up. I've got to be careful. She's started to notice her tights are getting baggy at the crotch.'
And I note: Lisa?
... also the guy is wearing a suit, and a purple shirt and tie.
... I am making no connections at all here. Nope. None. For it is too weird.
I just got as far as Jack on the phone, and realised again that there is a veeeeeery long stretch of this episode with no Jack in it. He's in the first scene at the building site, then he's absent until this scene. Which is important - we get these inside views of everyone; but not Jack.
And somehow we get character development for all of them because it is a Thing that we don't hear Jack.
It is also a Thing that Jack does the explanation about Philoctetes. I mean, this is clearly true, because they decided who would talk. But it's double true, because they wrenched continuity out of shape (she was going to look it up on paper) *and* had Tosh ignore that she is geek girl of google-fu *and* had it be a Clue that she says something to Jack that he'd find weird.
It also gives us that nice "pub quiz???" moment. Because we've seen her in a bar, but were it a pub quiz place? Jack doesn't seem to find it likely.
... all this is while Jack is on the phone on a call he initiated which he has to give his security code for. Not Toshiko's best timing, but Jack doesn't boot her out.
Jack has twin lamps that look the same shape as Tosh's bedroom, only white shades instead of her red ones.
His computer is off behind him, while his desk is covered in paper.
Also noted that when he mentions Philoctetes being stranded for years he looks at his watch - time! Stranded! Not an anvil!
... okay, I like it when I can claim subtlety.
*pause to tidy up HTML*
I do the transcripts in the HTML editor. If I could close tags reliably it would be much much quicker
... if the Rich Text editor didn't end up looking like arse it would probably be quicker too.
Continuity in this ep, as represented by clothes, is *deeply* buggered. She changes clothes in the middle of the day, or while walking from one side of the Hub to the other. I can't figure how many days it is meant to be, but I can be fairly sure some scenes changed which day they were meant to be in. Which irritates me no end. The clothes actually represent emotional stuff! How can they get all muddled like this!
It also helps explain how Tosh is so... swinging about so much. Because how can she stay all in a row if the scenes don't?
It's how my people communicate. It's how we've communicated for centuries. Speaking orally, using a pre-arranged and finite number of words, it's so archaic. And kind of gross to look at.
... The alien that visited Sarah Jane looked like the same people, and was a poet. Telepath poetry? No words? Or just words like we've been hearing. It just struck me, is all, telepathy doesn't seem like a words thing, unless Mary had to learn English before she could telepath it.
aaaaaaargh
bastard intercutting voiceover scene... and I love it to watch, because it doubles up the information, *but* to transcribe I have to make it clear when she's talking on her own picture and when she's talking over Jack and I don't know as I'm making it clear enough.
TOSHIKO: I can't stand it any more. The weight of it. The depravity. The fear... //It fills me up.
cuts to Jack staring out from the clock tower (time!)
Jack silhouette in the dark is "I can't forget the things I've seen"
I had hope. // I'd see something, // some little random act of kindness,
Jack sighs in the I'd see something
Jack answers phone on "we're frightened and we're callous"
... and I'm making it all about Jack when it's Jack-Tosh-Owen, but mostly Jack is the one gets words over the top of him.
Bugger, I've tried to transcribe it +images because it do change the meaning, but it just comes out a mess.
But Jack gets a lot of good words right there. For standing on roofs in the dark with a big clock behind.
It's... okay, I've watched it a half a dozen times trying to get the transcript right, I lack all distance to judge subtlety levels there.
Eating thing... that's two people in two episodes want to eat Tosh.
... I make no comment. None. Nothing about 'tasty' or, er, anything mouth related.
It gets absolutely crap the moment Mary asks to be taken to the Hub. After that the writing clunks. They stand there taking turns making speeches! She explains everything in detail with flashbacks! I'd red pen the lot if I was a beta reader. why why WHY? And it's not SF enough! Stealing the heart as a spare because hers just got shot would be *barely* SF - stealing hearts because she has none would work as metaphor. But to feed? No.
IANTO: 'Not again. Please, God, not again.'
I like that line because it isn't a question of what could he be flashing on, more like what couldn't he! It's "again" for
(a)girlfriend turns out not to be human
(b)girlfriend tries to kill people
(c)girlfriend tries to kill lover
(d)someone tries to kill Tosh
(e)someone has a knife to a throat
(f)someone is trying to eat someone
Which could all be called Torchwood being a tad repetitive, but also gives Ianto lots of room to be emo and disturbed about it all.
MARY: But not me. Whatever I've done, it doesn't change the way I feel about you. We have a connection, Toshiko, something real.
Okay, I *know* it ties in to domestic violence, I *know* the guy with the gun earlier is all Themey, but... FFS, *NO*. This is just creepy-sick.
And I *hate hate hate* that they did this with the lesbian relationship. Especially stacked with what they did with the sex alien.
Jack is kind of absent, and then kind of useless. I mean wipe tear and movie-walk is not in fact an answer.
... I so haven't rewatched this. I've done the transcript, but that's quite a different experience than watching for enjoyment. Yet I have absolutely no inclination to re-re-watch because I don't think it'll be fun. As well as being meta-annoying it's actually kind of crap. I mean, that last act turn around was just... dumb.
It had good elements, especially in the image/word combos, but it had a bad ending, which kind of trashes all the potentially-good. Add the meta-annoyance and the domestic violence thing and I think I can live without this one.
Ianto had emo tummy rats and "Not again". I have studied this. He also wore at least three different shirt/tie combinations. I have studied this too. All done.
Right then: transcript for 1-07 DONE.
I'm not sure how clear it is.
There's a bit I tried to make it clear which images went with which words, and I think I ballsed it up instead.
Someone check it?
But all the words have the right people attached now.
I really hope my essay is as close to done as I think it is, because this? Ate alllll my time tonight. I only meant to watch it! Watching takes an hour, tops! Not... well, many.
*sigh*