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The only thing funnier than listening to Jack being the Doctor is listening to the Doctor being Jack. The snarking at each other about it is a very close third place. So this entire adventure is hilarious.

And a little bit heartbreaking. Jack waited so long for the Doctor, and it's Six he catches up with. But not to worry, Six has had to edit his memory before, he'll just forget him... *sigh*

... which is rather different than when River did the same dance. Guess love across regenerations isn't quite how Jack and the Doctor work out...

Read more... )

I liked this adventure a lot, and I'd give it a 5/5 if I could rate bits individually on the LibraryThing. But it's a box set so there are still two parts to go.

:-)
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I have listened to 11 discs of story and only written up parts, so despite feeling like I need to pay more attention and apply more brain, I'll do a very brief summary of my reactions.

I listened to most of these while playing Sims and mostly learned that Sims requires enough concentration that the stories lose some impact.

Torchwood 21 We Always Get Out Alive Read more... )

Torchwood 22 Goodbye Piccadilly
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Torchwood 23 Instant Karma
Messy deaths and hospitalisations. Also a dead dog. Read more... )

Torchwood 24 Deadbeat Escape
TW: Suicide. Read more... )



Torchwood: Believe
This one has the whole original Torchwood cast, Owen, Ianto, Jack, Gwen and Tosh.
It also needs a lot of content warnings, and I wrote a much longer thing before deciding it was too judgey without relistening to be sure of my quotes.
It is dark.

Warnings for Read more... )


So that's just the warnings, and I'm not sure of my wording on them.

It is a whole lot of nasty. It's about the worst bits of being human, Read more... )

Wanting to listen again to be sure of your arguments when you pick a fight with it isn't exactly a recommendation. But it's doing Torchwood things in Torchwood ways with Torchwood characters. Just in those ways that make me remember I don't always like Torchwood.


So there's that.



I also listened to The Lives of Captain Jack.

I will definitely be doing that again.

It's... I was going to say it's much less dark than Torchwood, but it does start with a story where Read more... ) But the balance between horror and hope ends up on the side that has a functional if frustrating future, so that's a lot lighter in tone than some of the Torchwood.


... sometimes I sit down and actually think about the kind of plots that are perfectly normal in, for instance, Doctor Who, and I just... what are we like?


But, Lives of Captain Jack: recommended. Will listen again. Plenty of good bits, general arc towards hope and possibility.

... even if you do remember where in Jack's life these fit in, and how often things are not hopeful for him, it's like, look, there's some good bits too.


1 The Year After I Died
Right after Jack gets left behind by the Doctor, he doesn't know about his new party trick yet, and he's really, really insistent he is not a hero. But he saves the day anyway.
The one with the Read more... ).

2 Wednesdays For Beginners
Jack and Jackie Tyler. The way Jackie copes with the extreme weirdness by just being extremely mundane at it is brilliant. Good story, good resolution.

3 One Enchanted Evening
That time the Doctor gave Jack a note, 'his name's Alonso Frame'.
Because obviously that wouldn't be as simple as the part where they start the story heading back to Alonso's room...
Made me ship Jack/Alonso. Except mostly Alonso/Anything Actually Working. Or Alonso/ A Nice Quiet Evening. Which come to think Jack obviously needs too, so they should just end up together having absolutely nothing plot like happen. Unfortunately they got plot. There was adventure and kissing and sad bits and maximum frustration and Jack having stuff happen to him that Jack can survive and... I'm going to listen to this again extra times, this was good.
It was also the one with Read more... )
It's good use of character and I liked it.

4 Month 25
At the Time Agency under a new to us name. Javic Piotr Thane. The TARDIS wiki is ambiguous on if this is an alias or his original name. I vote alias. Sending a time agent out using his original name all over history would be wildly incompetent.
Way back when, Jack says in the Doctor Dances, he woke up and discovered the Time Agency had stolen two years of his memories.
This story is about that day.
And then it gets complicated.

I liked it, liked how it wove elements together from other audios. Also liked how Read more... )


Put together these stories fill in where it's logically implied story could be, and are plausible versions of a guy who has obviously changed kind of a lot over his lifetime... and also not very much. He's fun like this.

I enjoyed listening to this set.




Verdict: I like audio adventures a lot more when I'm not playing a game at the same time
Torchwood varies wildly in tone and possibly quality, which is very much a match for the TV series
and I'm going to keep buying these even if they're occasionally frustrating.

I'd rather have new stuff to argue with I guess...

But sometimes they are good.
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Captain Jack Harkness and Alonso Frame.
You know when the Doctor told Jack Alonso's name? Right after that, heading back to Alonso's room, is when this picks up.
It is not a relationship I ever thought about, and by the end of this disc, the only reason I don't ship it is I ship Alonso and getting some peace and quiet when things go right ever, ever, at all.

Read more... )
beccaelizabeth: Ianto Jones, Jack Harkness, and Gwen Cooper. From the publicity stills from before Children of Earth. (Torchwood 3)
That was more interesting than I remember. Not the fight club per se, Owen and Gwen.
Read more... )

Torchwood are not the good guys. Way too messed up.

But they're the ones that turn up and try.

All things considered I'm not sure that's quite a good thing though.
beccaelizabeth: Ianto Jones, Jack Harkness, and Gwen Cooper. From the publicity stills from before Children of Earth. (Torchwood 3)
Since I decided to go to the Hub next weekend I've started rewatching Torchwood. I've only got the first two seasons on DVD but that's because I'd only want to watch the first two seasons, so that works out.
The subtitles are quite a bit wrong on Cyberwoman. I'm not sure about the others, but I've done a transcript from the TV version for Cyberwoman and I know which version I believe. And it's character changing stuff, not just trivia. Very irritating.
Also my discs keep doing that thing where it freezes for a second and then picks up again, and I don't know if it misses a second or three around there or if it just be slow.

But: Cyberwoman.
That is a beautiful bit of TV.
Read more... )


So, anyway, I'm skipping the one with the fairies because I can't remember anything particularly shiny about it. So now I'm trying to decide watch or skip with Countrycide. On the one hand, another strong episode, plenty of character stuff. On the other, it always creeps me out. I need my layer of distance, and F&SF metaphor is it. Creepy things humans actually do are a whole genre I try and avoid.

*ponders*



Also today I have read an entire book on The Cabinet of Dr Caligari. Granted, it was a BFI Film Classics book and really tiny, but I totally read it. What I mostly learned from it is there's a big argue about the film and who thought of doing what and when and who kept the rights after. So any other book that has one coherent version of what happened has picked and chosen its sources. Which is useful to know, but doesn't tell me much about who to believe. Still, it's interesting to read.
... now I'm imagining a DVD commentary track from these people. It don't sound like you could have got more than three of them in the same room at a time without a bust up. Possibly only two. If that.

Modern texts have a whole ton of interesting extras. But the more I study texts people have thoroughly poked the behind the scenes story of, the more I am sure the whole story never can get told, because everyone has different ones and they evolve. Is interesting.
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You know what's not helpful? Having developed a tendency to giggle whenever Ianto says 'Lisa'. *facepalm*


Lots of spoilers: Read more... )

So I was all blah blah, yada yada, blah blah, thought I would be bored...
and then I pretty much quoted all the last bit.

So I'd say the ending worked. Really quite a lot.



... unfortunately, now there is no more. This was why I was saving them up and rationing them. All done now.

*hugs Ianto*

So for themes from these three audios we have: Read more... )
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Someone's meta over here says:

Abraham Lincoln once said that to get the true measure of a man's quality, you shouldn't judge him by how he handles adversity, but how he handles power. I find that's useful when writing characters, because at some point in the story, someone is going to get power over someone else, and what they do with it often sets the measure and pace of the rest of the story.

So I'm thinking Giles and Ethan. Read more... )


In Torchwood it gets interesting. Right up through recent episodes. Read more... )
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Some of the same weaknesses as Small Worlds - unsurprisingly - but still a fun little episode. Heavy on the plot, but with some *fun* backstory. And GDL put a lot into it. I liked it. But. Read more... )
So... I love that we got interesting backstory for Jack and Ianto. I think the bad guys were sufficiently creepy, in fact that really worked for me. But I'm not sold on the plot solution, or the genre fit.

hey... we're on episode 10. How did we get to 10? No fair, there's hardly any left this season!
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or, beccaelizabeth extrapolates an entire society and personal history from one outfit.
spoilers for 2-05 Adam and reference to a deleted scene from the first season.

Jack is the big mystery at the heart of Torchwood. His own team spend large parts of their time trying to figure him out. And even his own team start with the clothes. Period military is not the dress code of a straight man.

So... Read more... )


So there's probably a billion other ways to explain the same stuff.

But I'm awake at 2 in the morning and this is the way I just typed up.
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Is about TW 2-06 Reset, so goes under the cut. Read more... )

I think I like it all, but watching it play out at one episode per week? Ouch!
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Unbetaed, chat formatted despite them being supposed to be talking face to face, would probably work better if I just trimmed it back to a drabble, and I'm not really happy with it. Just catching the bunny.

Title: Significant Difference
Characters: Jack/Ianto
Rating: everyone can read it
Spoilers: Only makes sense post 2-01
Summary: Comparing ex-lovers is dangerous territory...

***
Read more... )
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Torchwood
Fic: Need
Characters/Pairings: Jack/Ianto
Rating: sweet and innocent... sorta
Spoilers: refers to the end of Doctor Who season 3
Word Count: 1181
Summary: Sometimes you can't just ignore the dark.
Author's Notes: Little angsty snuggly thing that sprang from someone else's image - Jack, after the Valiant, was always rubbing his wrists.
Beta by [livejournal.com profile] pinkdormouse


Read more... )
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Today's dreams involved a lot of running around and getting rained on and learning to be zen about it. There were actual buddhist monks. It was fun.


More fun: The part where Jack (Harkness, Captain, the very pretty) was a kind of priest and his main job was to have sex a lot. In a ceremonial sort of way. Like a coming of age ceremony thing, only less with the puns and more with the transitions between states. Not just first times. Though definitely including that. More any times that you decide to go embrace the masculine principle in that way again. Like if you're breaking up with someone or something.

He also saved the world a lot. There was time for both.

This suggests he was a very well kept secret.



Ceremony and sex. My subconscious has a theme.
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(weird question)

If our Captain Jack Harkness were a household item, what would he be?
Something you might see around in an urban sort of area. Fire escape, bin liner. That sort of thing.

(/weird question)
(for now)
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Did someone said there was more Jack kissing on the DVDs?
If so, wheres?
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Have developed new theory of why women in Torchwood fancy Owen:
You know that thing where someone is so totally gorgeous nobody dares ask them out?
That's Jack.

Then there's Owen standing next to him, grinning, happily attainable.


Now granted the theory seems flawed when Jack talks like he's the most attainable guy in Cardiff, or possibly in this arm of the spiral galaxy, but there's an awful lot more talk than actual doing. So that just adds a slight puzzlement to the dazzle. Exposure to Jack makes people think many sex related things, and then he's wandered off without them.

Owen gets the leftovers.



... well it amuses me ...



I still have an almost finished fic featuring Owen.
This theory has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Plot I'd really prefer to see, maybe with Jack, maybe just in general:
Hero has to live to save the world / large numbers of lives in it / small numbers / one life.

Because 'heroic sacrifice' and 'prettied up suicide' get a tad bit too close to each other sometimes.

And also, isn't life generally more with the live-to-help? I mean, thus far, I've never encountered a situation where dying would be more helpful.

And it's like when you've got a baby you've got to stay alive so the baby does. That's a nice real situation.

So where's the story about that?




... Therefore, Jack should get pregnant, and stop pissing around playing martyr.
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have watched 1st season, including all the Jack episodes.
*hugs Jack*
mean Doctor! went away!

... you know, the thing about Doctor Who is it's up there on the list of shows where I react in a slightly too gut level for sanity way. I mean, it isn't just suspension of disbelief, it isn't a thought thing, I just watch glass smash in space or Daleks roll into view and it's *scary*. Because, Dalek! And space! And wah!

Whenever Jack gets killed zapped I make sad noise. Every time! I know to the second how long before he's back, and still, sad noise.

And when the Doctor dies regenerates? I need tissues.

I feel ever so slightly *facepalm* about this but - and this is key - only when I'm not watching.
When I *am* watching I'm far too busy feeling what the story says to.




Except when Rose steps out all shiny, because then I'm mostly feeling *facepalm* cause now it's the universe as written by a teenage girl.

I keep telling myself it's the TARDIS gone human shaped, but it's still too much Rose looking for me not to *facepalm*.



Okay, onwards to season 2 set.


Actually I kind of want to go onwards to Torchwood right away, watch Jack some more, but I'm trying to rewatch before new DW and I can go on to Torchwood after. Also it's meant to be in that order anyway.




... Daleks, Federation ships going boom, and my tendency to read long coats as concealing swords = indicators my subconscious takes all this waaaaaaay too seriously
:eyeroll:


(... but it's kind of more fun that way ...)
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Things about Torchwood I have decided:

Jack does not come back because he missed Ianto.
Duty, people! The keyword is duty! Like 1-12; he has reasons.
... does no one else find that duty-desire tension/entwining to be sexy?


... because it might be for and about duty, but Ianto is a hell of a nice bonus, to share that duty with. Because he would totally get it.
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Sometimes I read fic and it says 'Jack' but would make more sense to me in characterisation terms if it just said 'Owen'.

So I wonder, how much overlap do people see?

Because Jack at his worst has some rather nasty traits, but I didn't think he had the same nasty as Owen. Not quite. Owen's more about what Jack isn't.

But of course there's vast argument about if Owen is what I saw from 1-01 or... whatever the heck alternatives people see that I can't.



And a lot of how I see Jack boils down to me believing he's poly enough he just isn't wired the way all these monogamous fics seem to see. Which I have to admit is only likely, rather than proven.

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