beccaelizabeth: Ianto Jones, Jack Harkness, and Gwen Cooper. From the publicity stills from before Children of Earth. (Torchwood 3)
That was more interesting than I remember. Not the fight club per se, Owen and Gwen.
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Torchwood are not the good guys. Way too messed up.

But they're the ones that turn up and try.

All things considered I'm not sure that's quite a good thing though.
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Been thinking about Owen, brains, and women. Yes, we know he doesn't apply brain when it's about women. And also he has big brains and ... hmm, doesn't use them to attract women? I just thought that, I'll poke it later. But what I mean is actual brains, as in the squishy skull contents. He's seen the brains of way too many women.

Mostly I'm thinking about 1-08, and a bit of 2-12. Read more... )


Not having an Owen to play with is annoying. He's got so many great ways to wind him up and set him off. And all that weren't even dealt with. Sure, he can handle the possibility of his own death, but if he turns out super resiliantly undead, Jack style immortal and outliving people... Owen having to cope with Toshiko's death would be story gold, specially if you try and get it so he's got a new relationship, or if he tries shagging Jack on the rebound because at least there's one guy he won't have to do an autopsy on, or... lots of things.

They never did enough with Tosh, there's bits about family and honor that can be found and spun into story, but I can see why letting her go might feel worky.

But there was so much more milage in Owen cause they'd messed him up so good already.



Atomic zombie Owen who's too radioactive to interact with anyone in person (except Jack) would be kind of fun too.

... Owen related plot bunnies seem to be the only sort I get lately.

No, I do get Ianto and Mickey ones too. Teaboy and Tin dog issues. Living your life for someone else, letting someone else define you. Following them into a career you'd never quite imagined. Becoming someone that seemed cool when they were in the movies.

Martha bunnies have to be coaxed out. There's a whole strand of overconfidence, people dying to save her, and being expected to kill people. That could be explored productively too.

Gwen and Jack are the least interesting to me. Gwen has Buffy issues, save the world vs normal life while defining normal real weird. Jack has Duncan issues, everyone he loves dies. I think I've kind of been there done that with those threads. I can get political with Jack, have him realise the path he's been on for so long is not the right one, that be fun. Gwen needs to learn a little diversity, that the ways of being human are infinite. But she also needs to learn more about her local normal being pretty damn cool. It's kind of like she needs to travel with the Doctor and then come home, but without the actual leaving Earth bit. Also defining human=good and alien=bad needs breaking up. But with what she's seen and still kept hold of that it's more plausible it just needs demonstrating to be a mess. She doesn't seem to budge on that. Is a bit annoying.

There's lots of themey strands in Torchwood to pick up and play with.
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Someone's meta over here says:

Abraham Lincoln once said that to get the true measure of a man's quality, you shouldn't judge him by how he handles adversity, but how he handles power. I find that's useful when writing characters, because at some point in the story, someone is going to get power over someone else, and what they do with it often sets the measure and pace of the rest of the story.

So I'm thinking Giles and Ethan. Read more... )


In Torchwood it gets interesting. Right up through recent episodes. Read more... )
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I've been working on a post about Owen's new sensory issues. As per usual I've been running into that thing where I know things a little but now have to trundle around the web evaluating the usefulness of sources. I've got like half a dozen windows open right now so I'm going to paste them in here and go do something else.

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Owen, gender (sex) swap, nanogenes that reconstruct a body on a genetic level, restore every cell, and are medically just plain nifty... but are a one off dose, not reversible, and have the purpose of working a proper sex change.
wackiness could ensue, but there's some Stuff in there to play with too.
check out Another Life and see if I remember correctly about his avatar there.
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Some of the same weaknesses as Small Worlds - unsurprisingly - but still a fun little episode. Heavy on the plot, but with some *fun* backstory. And GDL put a lot into it. I liked it. But. Read more... )
So... I love that we got interesting backstory for Jack and Ianto. I think the bad guys were sufficiently creepy, in fact that really worked for me. But I'm not sold on the plot solution, or the genre fit.

hey... we're on episode 10. How did we get to 10? No fair, there's hardly any left this season!
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Torchwood fic
Title: Conversation with non-dead people
Character: Owen. Talking to someone I made up. Yes, you have been warned.
Rating: general, universal, without offensive content
Spoilers/Warnings: Won't make much sense without knowing through TW 2-08. Also, unbetaed. Also also, I thought it was a drabble, and it could quite possibly improve if cut down to one.

Summary:

"You know, I've been saying, lately, that most people are insufficiently goth. That, at least, is not your problem."

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That was bloody good. And kind of an answer to the more depressing theme in last season. Read more... )

My recording didn't start until about a minute in because it was still recording the BBC2 episode. I don't know how to fix that. Grrr. And it was a good little speech too.

I really like this episode.
In fact, I really like this season. All the episodes. And I couldn't say that of the first season, even though I was crazy in fan-love with it.
Win.
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Someone on Owen's timeline pointed out we get more data in 1-07: Cardiff General Hospital 2000-2002, only qualified for 6 months in Sept 2001.

correlate that with his latest dob and that says he qualified in 2001, at the age of 21. If it's a 5 year course... Combine that with 2-05 Read more... )

So: started studying early, 2 years in Cardiff in A&E matches the two foundation years in that plan I found, then that stuff from his background on the old website with all the phone numbers and 'fix my leg break my heart' or whatever it was, and being called in for a serious conversation sort of thing. Then Torchwood. In 2003. Before he did his MD thing? I'm still fuzzy on that one. But if he was with Torchwood and did studying then he isn't following any of the specialities on the list I found, different career path. So those numbers aren't relevant, which chops off a lot of the time. So then we get 27 year old Owen Harper with lots of experience at Torchwood.

... it's still a bit daft though. He couldn't be 29? It'd be funnier if he was 29 and it was, if website and magazine and broadcast days match up, the day before his birthday.

Can't you just see mini-Owen being younger than everyone and studying until his brains were full and then kind of hitting teenage a bit late and making up for lost time? Secretly a geek Owen is more fun.
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If Owen is 27 and it takes years and years to do the MD thesis he mentioned on top of a medical degree and those foundation years, is it possible he'd only just done it by 1-01? Then that Doctor Owen Harper becomes less inherently obnoxious and more 'happy dance, passed, whee!'
Sort of thing.
... Except they get called doctor since the other degree, so that doesn't entirely work.
... okay, Owen=obnoxious after all.
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I have some confusion. But it's possible I'm being dumb. So I figure, be dumb in public, have someone point it out, unconfuse.

So, from last month's Torchwood magazine we got Dates of Birth for everyone except Jack. If they're accurate then Reset/DMW happened on or before 13th February 2008 (broadcast date)(however badly that meshes with DW), because Owen's age was mentioned as 27 and his dob was given as 14/02/80, so if it was the 14th then he'd be 28.

I was guessing his age as same as his actor, who I'd guessed correctly from the start. BG born 1974, would make Owen 33 or 34 in 2008. Few years older than me.

But he's 27, and a fully qualified doctor who wrote an MD thesis, plus he's worked the year we've seen of Torchwood and some time before that for him to be 2IC.

This month in Torchwood magazine? I find that Martha Jones, when we meet her in Doctor Who, is meant to be 23. And just about to qualify as a doctor. She was talking about passing exams.
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Soooo... I remain confused.
It looks like it takes a long time to be a boss of yourself doctor.
Possibly a longer time than our doctor hero characters have had.
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Is about TW 2-06 Reset, so goes under the cut. Read more... )

I think I like it all, but watching it play out at one episode per week? Ouch!
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Okay, spoilery 'shippy discussion within, covering all episodes shown so far BUT NOT FUTURE. No spoilers. I mean it.
... I might possibly be getting fed up with people slipping up on that one.
No spoilers past 2-06 Reset.

Tosh and Owen. Read more... )
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2-05 Adam was great
and yet is now completely overshadowed by 2-06 Reset, despite intermittent clunk in the script, because of that ending... and then there was the Next Week to just... mess with our heads?
Urgh.
So spoilers for all of that lot.
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Okay, that's a whole lot of words. Reaction. And now I want to go watch them over again. Is there a repeat tonight? It feels like repeat time. But no, I can find no repeat.
... I have them on disc. Heh. No need repeat!

... is it next week yet?
... I wants next week.
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Torchwood
Fic: Monday, Monday
Characters/pairings: Team, gen, Owen p.o.v.
PGish for swearing. Actually quite a lot of swearing. Should it be higher?
Spoilers: End of TW season 1
3900 words

still no beta. Anyone want to? con crit welcome.
*** *** ***
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Torchwood
Fic: Reshuffle
Gen, Owen & Ianto
Rating: 12 for swearing?
Spoilers: Torchwood first season
Summary: Somebody had to take over


Unbetaed, feel free to crit in comments.
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Have developed new theory of why women in Torchwood fancy Owen:
You know that thing where someone is so totally gorgeous nobody dares ask them out?
That's Jack.

Then there's Owen standing next to him, grinning, happily attainable.


Now granted the theory seems flawed when Jack talks like he's the most attainable guy in Cardiff, or possibly in this arm of the spiral galaxy, but there's an awful lot more talk than actual doing. So that just adds a slight puzzlement to the dazzle. Exposure to Jack makes people think many sex related things, and then he's wandered off without them.

Owen gets the leftovers.



... well it amuses me ...



I still have an almost finished fic featuring Owen.
This theory has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Fic rec: legionseagle.livejournal.com/10098.html
Can't Trace Time by [livejournal.com profile] legionseagle
link goes to last part, 10/10 complete, has links to all earlier parts.
Torchwood/Vorkosigan xover with Owen and Bel Thorne, plus a few other familiar faces.
Nice action plot, and lovely characterisation.

I read a story about Owen. I stayed up after class on two hours sleep because I wanted to see what happens next. And I liked it.

That's some quality writing, that is.








[broken link made visible March 2022]
think it was
https://archiveofourown.org/works/619277/chapters/1117399
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You know, I really don't like Owen
yet I keep reading fanfic that leaves me wanting to write fanfic in defense of him
... some of the stuff out there is really viciously out of character, imho.
I mean Owen is a bastard, but he's not an empty bastard. He'll put himself in harm's way to do whatever he's convinced himself is right. Yeah, I was cheering Ianto on, but yeah, Owen had a point too, and if he was serious about it being duty that's his motive? That would explain why Jack even hired him. And make it really more difficult to totally hate him.
He's a bastard on a personal level, he's out of his depth once he's out of his field, but he's not empty spite. He's actually quite complex.

... not that it wouldn't give me a happy to write him some hurt, but there's ways and ways.



Also it's more fun when everyone's being in character because then they're snarky and sparky and pushing back whenever someone pushes and it's interesting.



Now if I can only find something to like about Gwen I'll have a complete set...
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Sometimes I read fic and it says 'Jack' but would make more sense to me in characterisation terms if it just said 'Owen'.

So I wonder, how much overlap do people see?

Because Jack at his worst has some rather nasty traits, but I didn't think he had the same nasty as Owen. Not quite. Owen's more about what Jack isn't.

But of course there's vast argument about if Owen is what I saw from 1-01 or... whatever the heck alternatives people see that I can't.



And a lot of how I see Jack boils down to me believing he's poly enough he just isn't wired the way all these monogamous fics seem to see. Which I have to admit is only likely, rather than proven.

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