beccaelizabeth: Torchwood T filled with pride rainbow (Torchwood)
This is a frustratingly good episode. Frustrating because the costume design on the Cyberwoman makes it difficult to notice everything else. But it does some really good stuff.

It's asking how far you'd go for someone you love, and when even is that person the same person you love. Big big question.

Unfortunate rubber suit.

So there's a lot of compare contrast on relationships, Read more... )


The characters as I hang out with them in my head, or even in fanfic sometimes, have far fewer sharp edges. Not a monster, less of a twat, sort of thing. Seldom in doubt that they are both trying and succeeding at being good guys. They dont get caught in these tensions, not knowing what to do, moral imperatives every which way and getting torn or ground up between. They resolve things one way or another, finish the journey, become some steady state of themselves that wouldnt be terrifying to meet.

Which is several steps from canon, I am noticing.

But one reason one runs out of new fic ideas is that process runs its course, the deciding, becoming, finding a place to stand. Without new canon you either need to take them on new journeys several more steps away from their established selves, or things get settled. The conflicts wear thin. It's either done or it seems a problem they're still having to think about it.


It's weird, I get new Torchwood content from Big Finish every month, but rewatching the episodes still feels like visiting a closed chapter, almost an old fandom. We did this bit.

Still tried telling interesting things though.
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I'm vaguely wondering why some people don't like Cyberwoman.


I suspect there's plenty of answers that will make me wish I hadn't asked, but since I liked it rather a lot, I'm sort of puzzled.
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There was a thought I was having about Torchwood 1-04 (again)
some people were saying that, based on this evidence, Ianto is a really bad liar
because he looks nervous and when he says an excuse it isn't exactly smooth and it all seems to mostly work because the others aren't paying attention
and... okay, I can see that
but what I got from the episode is that we were in Ianto's point of view
of course we could see he was nervous, and lying, and all that
we were in his head

I guess it depends on what conventions you assume are being played within
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So I'm having a thought, and it may need to wander around the page a bit and be repeated at some time not 0520 before it entirely makes sense.

but

A thought about 1-04, Ianto, and what is obvious inside and outside the 'verse.

And also about who is right, and when, and how.

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So after that idea wandered around all over the place, my conclusion is:

It's not as obvious to Ianto.

It's a foregone conclusion to Jack.

And to the audience it depends what genre we think we're in.



From no character's value set is the final solution the ideal one, but it may be the only one they can manage with their current resources. But. I'm still not sold on that - there were possibilities not tried at all. And that makes Jack just that bit darker, and Ianto not entirely wrong at all.
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I've definitely had a lot of thoughts about this before, yet I still love the episode. And watched it in that way my brother watches his videos that drives me nuts, rewinding practically every scene and watching it over and over. But there's so much to see. Watch Jack and watch Ianto and you have two complete stories.

The more I watch the less I find not to like in this ep. Which has a lot to do with Ianto.

There's a lot about Jack going on in the not exactly subtle subtext. Loyalties and people being gone and that. He manages to be a massive hypocrite at the same time as suggesting he really has switched sides. Which as shadowing on what might happen later makes it make more sense it was all about 'her' because she is gone so... There might be a so.



Okays, I have not so much to say about this that doesn't need to go in fic. So I go watch 1-05.
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Am rewatching 1-04 Cyberwoman

I emailed the BBC the other day asking about why the subtitle differences, and they said that the DVDs are done by BBC Worldwide, a different company to the TV subtitles (I think, it's in a folder somewhere).

But I still don't know if either or both of them have scripts to work with.

The DVDs have some fairly significant differences in there. I mean, the really clear stuff, tends to be the same. "Have some fucking mercy" there's no doubt about.

But there's rather a lot of difference between "Hold him still" and "Have a nice day"
which are the TV and DVD versions of what Jack says when the lift starts up.

I'd have never heard 'have a nice day' there until I read it subtitled that way.

It's like the Supernatural subtitles can almost fool me into thinking he really did say "Sam" and not "Jared".


I'm pretty sure the TV subtitles are more accurate, but I'm basing this on the concept of actually making sense, which, you know, not necessarily so.



But it goes back to the 'what is canon' question again. You'd at least think we're all working with the same words, but noooooo.

A Jack that can be all "Have a nice day" quippy at that particular moment is a Jack who really *earns* the words Ianto throws at him, and the rest.

Jack who's more "Hold him still" is being protective of his team.

Waaaaaay different characterisation.




In other detail oriented news I noted that Tosh wastes 35 seconds in between doors, yet the second door still opens about 45 seconds after the first one. That's a classy bit of alien gadgetry right there.
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nearly three in the morning... Yes I am nuts, why do you ask?
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I've so got out the habit of watching things one episode at a time. Waiting between episodes is just... Gah!
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I have before mentioned Issues with Cybermen when read as a disability thing. Because calling them less than human is like saying humanity=meat, and you can lose it by the limb.

But. I think they fixed it.
Read more... )
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That was awesome.
Dark. VERY dark. All kinds of nasty there.
But, you know, the good way.

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Okay, as I said, not entirely coherent yet.
But that was a very, very good episode.


When it started I was so tired I was feeling a vague sense of unreality (also a side effect of there being so much advertising for the thing - images get so familiar they feel like another ad.)

Now I'm thinking I'll stay up until the second showing.
... this is bad for my sleep cycle, yet very fun.



Also, in case I haven't said, I like the acting. Looks like good acting to me. People doing emotions and everything.

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