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I was just thinking an aspect of why I get interested in Reverse Flash:
because of paradox and going backwards, he has a whole story telling him who to be. And you can write him as striving to have an individual identity in the face of that imposed story. And that's usually a woman's arc, like struggling to break free of a spy training facility or whatever, the story tells her to be evil and powerful and she just wants room to exist.
That's not the main supported story that Reverse Flash is trying to tell
but I just realised where it fits in my pattern of interests.

He got told who he would grow up to be, and he'll break the universe if he doesn't become that.
Like it or not.


Of course Flash is told who he's going to be, but he keeps phrasing it in terms of future events to happen or not, not straight up identity.

Reverse Flash had his identity defined by his relationship to a guy. Hate hate relationship, at the simplest reading, but still. Usually that happens to characters getting called Lady Whatever because they're standing next to Lord Whatever.


And then to empower Barry - who he hates - Thawne sets aside his names, personal and family, and again lives another man's story. And yeah, saving Barry's destiny is the only way to save his own life, he props Barry up so he can use him, but. It's the story of someone setting aside their own name and career to support someone else, who is going to be seen as greater than them.

When Eobard got his wish in Doomworld he was still running a lab, but as himself, getting awards and recognition in his own name. That's his wish, but he can't have it, because Flash.



Of course all of this is way murdery. He loses his own life because he did a murder. He gets to live in a fancy house and all that rich stuff, this isn't a story of his suffering.

I'm just identifying the trope hooks that make his half of the story more compelling to me.

If you want to tell it that way, there's some very familiar elements.
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the one with the disintegration guy

I keep finding myself agreeing with Julian where the story clearly doesn't.
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Why on earth would the tv go with Gypsy as a code name, when it's rude and the character has nothing in common with the DC comics hero of that name?

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Lots of interesting bits
but this season has not grabbed me.
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moving in to their new place and actually talking to each other
... also some jewel thief had a shiny gun? and no personality.
... also also there was a STAR labs museum.

I was unimpressed with this one. Read more... )



I think I'm liking neither the mental health nor the time travel stuff, because of how they deal with it and talk about it, and that leaves very little to potentially like.

Ah well. Onwards anyways.
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Have I mentioned how much I hate stories where the only reason people do things is mind control?
Because it keeps being relevant that the only reason people do things is mind control.

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Um, this show appears to annoy me?

It's the mental health stuff, it can't really come back from that, it's a super bad model and does nothing good even for the narrative let alone the representation.



I keep rewriting it in my head like what I would do if I inherited STAR labs from my supervillain husband. Which obviously the tv is not going to be about.

But the All Star Squadron is a name they could put to work.

... ideas, I has them. no complains, unless in form of my own fiction...
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So, have now seen the start of the Invasion.
I'd like to say it makes more sense now, but they seem to have chopped it into three different types of story, of stages, or something. It's a mind boggling jam packed rush even from the start.

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They packed so much in the only bit I managed to properly care about was the Wally story. I don't get why Iris is on team lie to him though, you'd think someone on this show would learn. Well, Cisco has, but still. Ugh.

Yaay Kid Flash, and please to be telling him reasonable reasons, like he needs training and experience that are not dreams.

The appearance of the newspaper though... if they can even check that, what has happened to their Gideon, how much future knowledge is in there, and what reason other than temporal can of worms do they have to not use it for research? Even focused so it won't tell them tomorrow, what is it they're ignoring? More than just a page.

The change was good.

But it still mentions Reverse Flash, and I want to see if/when *that* changes.

Like, Reverse Flash was obsessed with that page for a reason. Top of my list of theories? It's his own personal future, a headline he hasn't participated in yet, so keeping that on track means he has a tomorrow.

Second is he knows the significance of the red skies.

Reverse Flash being undone should screw up that day along with all the rest. Grandfather paradox is a problem, not a solution.

... I am focused on the wrong bits.


Alien Invasion setup achieved. Now to wait for Arrow so I can see the middle...


... and in the meantime, watch more Flash.
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Killer Frost, Alchemy and Wally

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... I do not like how writers are presenting this, even when I can make it make watsonian sense.



What I don't like is the characters never have the conversation I would consider obvious, and just flail in maximum drama.

I should write, if I want a different story.
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Joe's first date in forever, Wally, Alchemy, and the first appearance of Savitar.
Plus a boringly underused Shade. I mean why even have fancy fx for a red herring with no motivation. blah.


Every time a story makes someone possessed or mind controlled or somehow no longer free willed, it gets absolutely and completely boring. It is the most boring of all boring versions they could possibly tell. It reduces the character to an empty meaningless puppet, and it abandons the most basic realism, cause there's always a choice. Not always a good choice, but always a choice.

The way comics and associated comic derived media presents mental illness has very little to do with how mental illness actually borks choice, in this case especially because it's presented as 'going evil' against her will rather than... anything actually people shaped. So, again, boring. No applicability and nothing to relate to.

So I'm getting the feeling I'm not going to likea major arc or two right here.

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Show could make better choices and is focused on making a bunch of deliberately embarrassing right now.
But still got some interesting.
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Julian, HR, and a giant monster.
Plus Caitlin's mum.

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Lots of interesting threads working pretty okay.
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Just watched the one with Mirror Master, the Top, and Snart
except despite how excited everyone got in advance there wasn't exactly a lot of Snart.
(kick the ball Charlie Brown)

Read more... )


Episode had some good ingredients, but was just ingredients when it was done.

Makes me want to have another go at it with more theme and stirring.
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Watched the episode with Frankie, Magenta, and Jesse Quick.

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so, this is the new world...
and along with Barry, we get to realise everything we know is wrong, so that's... why do that to your viewers?

also the squirmy embarrassment of ao many social errors in a row had me watching through my fingers.

an entire episode of embarrassing flailing before he actually tells the truth
... is variably consistent, given that Barry's life for so many years involved trying to tell the truth about the impossible, and getting negative consequences for it
like, he should be trying, but he knows it's going to go so poorly.

I knew a bazillion spoilers before watching, so none of it had shock value to me and I have no feels about the new-new version.

... spoilers suck the feels out and I should get a tv channel that actually shows it this year.

... except I don't trust these shows enough to watch them without spoilers?

ANYway... Read more... )

Jay's demonstration with the coffee cup makes more sense than two seasons of Legends of Tomorrow, yet time travel is so inconsistent I don't even know if it's meant to be accurate. It's a really good reason to prevent all time travel, if true, and explains the end of LoT season 2, and yet we've got a time travel show to play in so nobody is going to conclude that alterations to time are too dangerous.



The thing that's bothering me that nobody brought up - Read more... )


So, as an episode, it gave me thoughts, but not feels.


Shall see how the season goes on.
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Just finished watching the first episode.
... Barry is... I do not follow his logic here. Emotion, sure, but...
... sometimes I think he is not bright.

I mean, I get that Wally was hurt, but he wasn't dead? Things seem plenty fixable?

I don't see how he gets from there to out loud asking Eobard Thawne to kill his mother.

Read more... )



Basically the thing where Barry and other time travellers don't approach their own lives like a sci fi obsessed rules lawyer gamer somehow continues to annoy. They never try and finesse anything. And get so surprised when that has consequences.

But we get to see those consequences, so that's an improvement.



... I still find I have much sympathy with the Reverse Flash.

It's like that time travel with Hartley day, where Eo!Wells is sitting there waving his hands to try and shut time travel Barry up, but no, Barry just... charges on through. Fifteen years Thawne kept the secret and avoided time wraiths, and Barry can't last six hours. Lovely.

...the responding to it with murder is not sympathetic, but the level of frustration, ooooh yes.



I guess I liked the episode, at least for the consequences and the Reverse Flash bits
but now it applies the reboot problem
logically to the whole arrowverse:

everything we think we know may or may not be wrong
so
why are we still invested?




Shall see.
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Logically Eobard Thawne is an angry man who enjoys killing people and would be terrible to work with
but the thing where he sat down, made, and successfully executed a fifteen year plan
makes him so much more organised than anyone about else in the genre
it's tempting anyway.
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I just rewatched the Flash season 2 episode where they go to Earth 2 and Barry replaces himself
and I don't get why they didn't just have an actual conversation.
I mean seriously, I cannot think of a reason they would have plan A be knock anyone unconscious or deceive people.

Why not just ask questions and make new friends?

I can't figure what they were thinking.
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Just finished watching what gets called, in episode, Eobard Thawne's origin story.

The entire morality of this show depends on the physics of time travel, and yet it can never decide what the damn rules are.

Read more... )

This cannot be the original origin story, if Eo!Wells told the truth. Simplest answer is he lied, but he told most of his observable lies by slicing the truth really damn fine, which leaves that less simple.

What this absolutely can be is a way to build a stable loop. Everything we observed can be a logical consequence of what Thawne heard here.

With the teensy tiny problem of him not being born anywhen, which takes the 'stable' right out of it.



I still haven't seen Legends season two - I'm rewatching slowly so when the dvds come out I'll have everything fresh and well chewed over - but I imagine it'll complicate more than clarify.


The whole ethics of the situation and reading of a pretty central character depends on their laws of time
but their time has no laws
and the speed force is even more a chaotic thing of itself
so there's no making sense of anything
or anyone.



Still, whatever his reasons, Thawne does seem to have a lot of fun being a villain
which undermines the predestination tragedy reading pretty thoroughly.

Simplest if he's just a jerk.



But most fitting the canon thus far if he's a time traveller trying to deal with shifting memories while staying focused on the goal of maintaining a stable timeline where the Flash was the inspiration for Reverse Flash and he, in a backwards way, returned the favor.

... yet stable timeline is not a thing you associate with him by simplest reading...


and round and round the illogic goes.




Time travel. Why did they focus on time travel? It takes so much work to even vaguely make sense.



... and I realise people not me are putting less effort into making sense of Eobard Thawne, but, you know, villains and rogues...
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I've been thinking on my latest fantasy world, as per usual, and therefore making AU versions of assorted characters, mostly from the Flash. We've got STAR labs too, it's just doing magical research.

So I was thinking what the characters are there for.

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And to make the story go right now there's a !Wells, Bear, Hart, Cat and Ram. An overriding purpose, with an absolute opposition, a snarky one who cares what people think, someone who is mostly don't, and someone who is mostly can. But I don't want to put all the deciding in the same place as the Flash. Even though I can see exactly how I could.

I want to put me in there, making choices, weighing things up. Because there's never anyone on TV who thinks like I would.





Don't know if anyone would want to read that.

Guess if I ever wrote it I would find out.
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I dreamt there was this room which made some people very, very twitchy if shut in there alone. Which would be hard to distinguish from regular hey why is the door locked twitchy. But it was like sensory deprivation, like people in that room that is Too Quiet. It shut off a sense most people aren't consciously aware of, the one mages use, a sort of reaching out part. So it filtered for people who could be trained, which was handy, but this particular room was designed for something else.

As this group found when Barry Allen closed the door behind himself, and while the world got shut out, that left them real focused on the sense of each other.

If there wasn't anything to reach outside for, certain spells, inset in the floors, could encourage, basically, soulbonding.

It hadn't been done for a while, not formally or consciously. Mick and Len were in there and had their own little bond humming away. But the more people in a bonded group, the stronger the bond, the greater the distance it worked at, the more strength each could share with the others, and the more knowledge. This room was set up for a bond of five or six, and they hadn't found rooms for larger. Which ought to be a clue this was going to get wild, but, they had an urgent need to be better, faster, stronger, smarter, and, rather importantly, able to trust each other.

Barry Allen, Mick Rory and Leonard Snart, Cisco Ramon, and... some random guy who was impressively good with curved swords. The random guy knew he was a random. But he was a random who maybe might be able to join a bond.

And since they'd found a lot of emphasis on how the bond needed maintenance, preferably daily, they thought it would be temporary.

... it's never temporary.

So Barry explained all this and how the bonding part worked and then he got naked.

... pretty sure the fic of this would be popular, with a slightly tweaked cast list.

So, bonding happened, in all the available combinations.

This was made possible partly by the designs inset in the floor. Which were a sort of hexagonal pixel grid made of sliced sections of color pencils. The wood is a traditional wand material, the colors less so, but each dot could be made of all sorts, so you could get super complex workings going on.

... no I'm not going to write up the bonding today.

But when they were done, they could hear each other at least all across the city, and showing a design to Len got Cisco level comprehension, with Len's tactical sense. And that was just the beginning, they had a lot more to learn from each other.

Mick and Len were used to just feeling really in synch and not needing whole sentences to figure each other out, but that was like texting compared to the full on experience they could get from each other now. Which was kind of like drinking from the fire hose, so they suddenly spent much less time together and latched on to others instead. Mick and Cisco, Len and Barry. Random guy is still random, it was kind of sad, there were fears of being a redshirt. But everyone got superb at hand to hand. Still, Barry kept trying to include everyone, but he also wanted to spend time with Iris, because wife. ... you kind of have to be Barry to physically manage that. Recovery times are otherwise an issue. Except everyone would get just a little share of his healing, sooo...

You'd think Barry and Cisco would be the tightest, being relatively emotionally available and actually liking each other, but they actually found the sex parts weird and Cisco was the only one with an emotional 'we're cheating on Iris' hangup, and so they mostly bounced into other orbits. Which seemed to be working out.

Except, all that about maintaining the spell? That'd be because if it gets wonky, it gets wonky for *everyone*. Any weird feelings either get dealt with or bounce back and forth until the whole group has them. And Len's first reaction, be cold and walk away, don't warm up to people, way too dangerous to care... well usually it gets balanced by Mick's fire or/and Barry's persistence running after people, but, those are now conflicting feelings on the *inside*, and then it gets weird. Random guy is still feeling shut out, except that means *everyone* starts feeling like they're shut out, spare, surplus, rejected, which compounds on the fact Len is consciously trying to reject them and emotionally as wildly possessively attached as he ever has been, as if they're all Mick now, which he can't always deal with when there's just one of it. Oh, and Cisco's feeling they're cheating? Yeah, messy.

So now they either have to deal with their emotional problems or... well, not deal with anything, because it's going to get loud in there.

The bond isn't temporary, it's *tricky*, and using it to force trust is pretty much their worst idea ever.


But it totally could work out, they've got the framework, especially if someone notices that it doesn't all have to be sex.

And in the dream Barry specifically had a conversation about Iris about how he was feeling bad because if he's poly now then shouldn't he just, like, love everyone the same? And that needs sorted out, because no two couples are the same, he needs to realise what each specific relationship means to him and work on it as its own thing.

So it's a whole thing about sex and communication and how you can't rely on sex, except with soulbonds and superpowers and being able to be five or six supergeniuses who can work at some level of superspeed even if it's just by sending Barry to read books and then redistributing the new knowledge so they each hold on to parts of it even while it mostly fades.

Many advantages, with the disadvantage of actually requiring open and honest communication about emotions.

So, team.
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I finished watching the first season of The Flash.
... I did not want to because I am not in a mood to find Eobard Thawne screaming and dying a happy ending. Deserve isn't the point. There's a lot of bad packed in to that one moment, and suffering.

One way to read Eobard Thawne is to assume he's basically a creep, Read more... )

and he's probably just a dick who blames other people and lashes out.



... but what if he wasn't?




If Barry in some future episode can persuade even his worst enemy he's a real and true hero, acted correctly, no reason to hate this version of him
well that's a pretty big heroic win
especially if he wins over his enemy so now there's even more speedsters.



But canon doesn't prioritise like that.
... probably.



ugh, who'd be a villain fan, so seldom the directions we'd want...
... but fun to think...
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The problem with Reverse Flash - not that there aren't a lot of problems, but the problem for him achieving his goals his way even - is summed up by him saying he's out to get back everything that was taken from him.

Because nobody took it from him. In the timeline as it exists in season one, nobody but him took it from him. He lashed out and trashed the foundations of his reality, and lo, his reality was indeed trashed.

The thought that could have saved him - at any time - is 'oh, hey, my bad, I did that'.

If he never has that thought, he's trying to fix the wrong problem, and it doesn't matter if he's a super powered genius if he can't see that.

And that is what is so frustrating, because he so very nearly has a point, but he fucks it up right there.

Which is pretty classic abuser stuff. Being a twisty manipulative asshole who never saw a problem he couldn't pin on someone else. It's always someone else's fault, and then he sets out to destroy the someone else.

And he will forever wonder why it never makes his problems go away.

Even though he's had fifteen years of evidence that the Flash was not the problem, because without the Flash, oh hey, everything is worse.





... to be fair, from what I've heard of future seasons, Barry trashes the foundations of his own reality too.

But Barry is very much a guy who will think 'it's my fault' from a standing start, so he is very much ready to take responsibility there.

His misattribution is that victim blaming thing he only does to himself, where everything a villain does against him is somehow Barry's fault, even when he was a small child and logically not really responsible for much of anything. It's a weird way of feeling in control. But it seems like it's part of why he keeps reaching out to his villains, because if they're his fault, they can be his fixing too.

... but that part won't work until he can see their real motives straight either.



Flawed characters, the makings of tragedy.

... even when the tragedy is they stay assholes...
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Watched Rogue Time.

Usually I watch this for Mick and Len, who remain fascinating, but this time watching all the episodes in order, Eo!Wells remains a mass of contradictions that have my full attention.

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I've seen people being sad about Eo!Wells because the person he was pretending to be was entirely a lie, so we lost that person. Which, okay, possible. But it's also possible he is who he pretends to be, just with an agenda, a cheerful approach to other people's mortality, and a nasty temper. And then he takes more figuring out.


And so much of the morality of time travel depends on the physics of time travel, and DCTV is never going to tell us the whole rules of that.


But it's like with the Legends - the Time Masters were supposed to be guarding the timeline, but decided to change it to specific advantage. So Time Masters get blown up by Legends, for freedom. But then that makes things worse in some different ways so the Legends have to run around fixing the timeline instead. And they make some specific choices about which bits can and cannot be altered, and they don't always seem to be real conscious about it. And then some choice I can't be having with, but haven't seen the episodes for yet. And then whatever they do with next season, which will be... interesting. But their attitude to time travel has changed as they go along, so they have to have been doing the wrong thing pretty often.

And maybe Eo is like that.

But also maybe not.

... I am aware this entirely depends on what the writers want to do with him, and they're unlikely to do much with him on account of paradoxing him out of existence, but that's not the interesting bit.




And now I've got to get ready to go do the shopping, which is in local shops only because Norfolk Show, which means no getting my apple food, which means slight sulking. But I can find and consume many forms of chocolate so I'm sure that'll work out.
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Just rewatched the season one ep with Mardon and the tsunami.
Thawne is such a dick.
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While rewatching Flash season one a lot of the fun is seeing how
Eo!Wells so very seldom lies.
He knows very well the listener is going to take it the wrong way, and the writers know we know pretty much enough to notice, and it's just so much fun.

Add to that that he's the kind of guy who can sit down and make a fifteen year plan to restore his worst enemy, because necessary
and he's just... he's my favourite
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Eobard Thawne’s personal timeline was logically impacted by the Legends when they got the Armageddon virus released five years early, in 2147. That meant it’s before instead of after his birth. Mass casualties would decimate a different set of people, potentially killing his parents, definitely removing people he would otherwise know.

Per Degaton’s reign was accelerated and if his reach was truly global Eobard grew up under his rule, or rather Savage’s, after the betrayal. He’d have been 15 in 2166, when the Legends took out Savage. He’d be 24 in 2175 when the Time Masters say the Thanagarians invade.

... do they still do that?
I have no idea how that end of time is meant to look now.

But what could it have looked like before?

Read more... )

Still, the future the Legends fought to change might have very little resembled the one Thawne came from.

Or it might have all the clues to piece together a number of interesting personalities for him...
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He’s got stashes of almost everything he’s ever stolen, everything Lisa didn’t need and he didn’t need to live on. Like me when I ended up with a bedroom packed full of catalogs and ancient computer parts, so I found a desktop tower under a guide to windows 98 under a Next directory from 99. In 2014. Because You Never Know. It might turn out crucial later. It might be the one thing you need. And even the money, it’s rainy day money. So what if there’s flooding, it can always get worse. So he lives in warehouses and safehouses and hides the really important stuff so he can’t get arrested with it on him, and so many shiny things are just stashed someplace, for later, when he’ll really need them.

His pockets end up full of little trifles recently in other people’s pockets, because it helps him think. He wouldn’t say it keeps him calm. (It totally is about keeping calm.) The oldest lessons are the hardest, and the old skills need keeping up, even when lifting wallets hasn’t exactly been his day job lately. (It used to be. And when it wasn’t enough, they went hungry. Bigger things are better now.)


He plans like I plot, endlessly, elaborately, doing all the research he can get his hands on to fill his days, then filling in elaborate contingency plans when it might more usefully be time to sleep. And he’s very, very good at it. And the longer he goes between jobs the more he has the itch to prove that again. Because inside his head it’s tick tock clockwork, until it isn’t, until ways it goes wrong are all he can see, and he’s long since learned the point where he has to act or be frozen.

The Waverider messed with both of their heads, Mick because he couldn’t burn anything, Len because they never knew what they were going to do next until they were in the thick of it. This is a guy who knows response times to the second all over Central, who cases the place twice even when that gets attention, who spends months learning to take his equipment apart and put it back together before he uses it at all. Full tilt blindly is not his favoured way to proceed. And he is good, but not that good : they lose crew. They lose Mick, to torture prison, and nearly other ways. And it’s because the plan can’t keep up with the random factors. Because however good he is, he’s not good enough.

So he stashes Mick, somewhere safe, for later.

Which does not work out well for them.

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